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is saying a dog is "man's best friend" offensive

Erebus

Well-Known Member
"Man" and "a man" are different usages. "Man", without an article, generally denotes mankind, rather than men as opposed to women.

Funnily enough, dogs are similar. A dog is a male dog. A ***** is a female dog.

Sometimes RF's profanity filter forgets that certain words aren't always swear words.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Funnily enough, dogs are similar. A dog is a male dog. A ***** is a female dog.

Sometimes RF's profanity filter forgets that certain words aren't always swear words.
Yeah I know. For a while, people in Scunthorpe couldn't use AOL services, because the profanity filters deleted their addresses. It seems this phenomenon of innocent words being filtered because some ponytail in California thinks they might be rude is actually known as the "Scunthorpe problem" : Scunthorpe problem - Wikipedia

P.S. This post is also a test of the RF filter. I'm pleased to see it has not bleeped it out.
 

Secret Chief

Very strong language
Yeah I know. For a while, people in Scunthorpe couldn't use AOL services, because the profanity filters deleted their addresses. It seems this phenomenon of innocent words being filtered because some ponytail in California thinks they might be rude is actually known as the "Scunthorpe problem" : Scunthorpe problem - Wikipedia

P.S. This post is also a test of the RF filter. I'm pleased to see it has not bleeped it out.
Yeah but it is a pretty grim place. :p
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Is saying a dog is "mans best friend" offensive? Sexist?

Why do we say a dog is man's best friend and diamonds are a woman's best friend?

That's like saying dogs can't be a woman's best friend, they want something more expensive
Man can refer to all of humanity as a whole as well, like Mankind, doesn't only refer to men :D
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Man can refer to all of humanity as a whole as well, like Mankind, doesn't only refer to men :D

I always interpret "man" as referring only to human males. Because it does when we have non-sexist, non-patriarchal methods of referring to human persons... and there's been significant shifts in language use in the modern era to reject such dated terms (with good reason - rather like why anthropologists stopped calling certain peoples "savages" all the time).
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Why do we say a dog is man's best friend and diamonds are a woman's best friend?

The equivocation here has already been noted by others. It occurs when a word has two or more distinct meaning that are used interchangeably (I call that two words, the dictionary calls them homonyms, but that's a fine point). The example I like to use when discussing this topic, which usually comes up when somebody conflates two different meanings of the word faith, uses bank (a place to keep money) and bank (the shore of a river). An equivocation fallacy might be, banks are a safe place to keep money, rivers have banks, therefore rivers are a safe place to keep money.

"Man" and "a man" are different usages. "Man", without an article, generally denotes mankind, rather than men as opposed to women.

Neil forgot that article, and it makes a difference, although it is one nobody notices: "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." Without it, the statement essential says that that was both one small step and one giant leap for mankind, which is obviously not what he meant.

For a while, people in Scunthorpe couldn't use AOL services, because the profanity filters deleted their addresses.

I knew somebody who went to Beaver College. She couldn't search her college on campus because of those filters.
 

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
Another reason why 'crazy cat lady' has been the modern and medieval spinster stereotype.

Its so inaccurate. One doesn't need to be a spinster to be a crazy cat lady...

Interesting points but don't cross the crazy cat lady lol

Its true. I'm pretty patient for a while, but I'm not much fun to cross.

My cat treats me like a peasant. :p

I'm happy to hear your cat is so charitable towards you!
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
I thought this funny video would fit in well here in this thread...


As far as the question goes, we as a society are way too politically correct.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
I always interpret "man" as referring only to human males. Because it does when we have non-sexist, non-patriarchal methods of referring to human persons... and there's been significant shifts in language use in the modern era to reject such dated terms (with good reason - rather like why anthropologists stopped calling certain peoples "savages" all the time).
Fair enough as long as you are aware that it can refer to both :)

Here is the definition

1. an adult male human being.
"a tall man with a beard"

2. a human being of either sex; a person.
"goodwill to all men"
 
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