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Is Sexual Intercourse Between Siblings Morally Permissible?

Is it morally permissible for a brother and sister (adults) to use birth control and willingly participate in a sexual act? Y/N? Why?

I can think of no argument that makes it immoral, since no harm is caused to anyone.
Peace be upon you.

Leviticus 18:1-30
9.The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.

Leviticus 20:1-27
17. And is a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people:

he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity.

10.The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover:

for their is thine own nakedness.

17. Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter (step daughter), neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswoman:

it is a wickedness.

Leviticus 20:1-27
14. And is a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burn with fire, both he and they; that there be not wickedness among you. (After been judge ).

Leviticus 19:1-37

29. Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.
 

Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
It seems almost inevitable that every sexual relationship is compared to homosexuality, so far all the evidence points to sibling incest as being a symptom of something else, not a sexuality.

It is also the highest form of childhood sexual abuse and the least investigated.
I understand and agree.

I was merely offering up a reason for these relationships to be damaging, thus immoral from the OP's perspective. If moral means "no harm" it can easily be shown that living a life in the closet causes harm.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Is it morally permissible for a brother and sister (adults) to use birth control and willingly participate in a sexual act? Y/N? Why?

I can think of no argument that makes it immoral, since no harm is caused to anyone.

dude....

have you seen texas chainsaw massacre or body melt?

:facepalm:

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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Thanks monta for all of that info, I wasn't aware of it. I would argue though that most of it is technically not applicable to this question, as I'm referring to consenting adults. I'm not suggesting that information isn't valuable, just N/A with respect to my specific question. It is clear that someone forced into any sexual act with any person is immoral. In this case I'm talking hypothetically about consenting adult siblings.


what next ? interspecies sex....???

Rover really liked licking Angie
We often thought about getting a poodle, but since we got a great dane
I never have to pleasure my wife
and with this camera, I get my own free porn show

:sarcastic
late one night...years ago when I was living in New Jersey, chatting online with friends
I actually found a website that describes how to have sex with a dog
Do I think it is a good thread to post online about? no.... even though I remember some of the do's and dont's that need to be done in order to not hurt your four legged friend...

:facepalm:consetual sibling sex and incest
considering the high degree of molestation, rape and forced incest in USA
don't you think its extremely insensitive, stupid and many other words I cant type here..... to even start such a thread.

I am guessing you have never known anyone raped by a parent, sibling or family member.


minus 10 billion frubals for being a bung hole
 
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MSizer

MSizer
As to your comparison to the movies, note I specifically stated "use birth control"

what next ? interspecies sex....???

Rover really liked licking Angie
We often thought about getting a poodle, but since we got a great dane
I never have to pleasure my wife
and with this camera, I get my own free porn show

:sarcastic

Listen, dogs can't offer consent, so this is a ridiculous comparison. And shame on you for comparing victimization with a hypothetical consentual scenario

:facepalm:consetual sibling sex and incest
considering the high degree of molestation, rape and forced incest in USA
don't you think its extremely insensitive, stupid and many other words I cant type here..... to even start such a thread.

No, in fact I don't at all. Quite the opposite. Look at what's happening - monta is sharing her knowledge on the topic, and I, and probably others, are becomming more informed. That's the only way we can improve the lives around us, using correct information and sound reason.

By your logic, since there are innocent victims of gun violence, we should not talk about it since that would be insensitive. Damn the consequences of course of slipping it under the carpet, because sensitivity is at stake here, right?

I am guessing you have never known anyone raped by a parent, sibling or family member.

Indeed I certainly have. More than one.

minus 10 billion frubals for being a bung hole

I'm not even responding to that comment.

I think monta brings up a good point about the inevitability of some sort of disorder linked to any such engagement, and itwillend's note about having to hide it also is worth considering, but I'm not convinced yet.
 
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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Listen, dogs can't offer consent, so this is a ridiculous comparison. And shame on you for comparing victimization with a hypothetical consentual scenario

an erect penis is an erect penis
and sadly its not hypothetical.....

nationally syndicated sex column Savage Love (from seattle's strange news paper)
one week featured a woman who claimed that:

She was in a long term relationship with her first boy friend
but claimed to have repeatedly performed oral acts upon the family pets during her early teens
should she confess all?

note the followinfg states 23 were about WOMEN
....

The Kinsey reports controversially rated the percentage of people who had sexual interaction with animals at some point in their lives as 8% for men and 3.6% for women, and claimed it was 40–50 percent in people living near farms,[7] but some later writers dispute the figures, because the study lacked a random sample, and because the prison population was included, causing sampling bias. Martin Duberman has written that it is difficult to get a random sample in sexual research, and that even when Paul Gebhard, Kinsey's research successor, removed prison samples from the figures, he found the figures were not significantly changed.[8]
By 1974, the farm population in the USA had declined by 80 percent compared to 1940, reducing the opportunity to live with animals; Hunt's 1974 study suggests that the demographic changes led to a significant change in reported occurrence. Males in 1974 were 4.9% (1948: 8.3%), and in females in 1974 were 1.9% (1953: 3.6%). Miletski believes this is not a reduction in interest but a reduction in opportunity.[9]
Nancy Friday's 1973 book on female sexuality, My Secret Garden, comprised around 190 fantasies from different women; of these, 23 involve zoosexual activity.[10]


More recently, research has engaged three further directions - the speculation that at least some animals seem to enjoy a zoosexual relationship assuming sadism is not present, and can form an affectionate bond.[52] Similar findings are also reported by Kinsey (cited by Masters), and others earlier in history. Miletski (1999) notes that information on sex with animals on the internet is often very emphatic as to what the zoophile believes gives pleasure and how to identify what is perceived as consent beforehand. Some researchers are seeking to ascertain whether zoosexuality is closer to a sexual orientation than a sexual fetish, and to assimilate scientific research on emotion in animals and their ability to choose pleasure, as part of their beliefs about zoophilia. For instance, Jonathan Balcombe says animals do things for pleasure. But he himself says pet owners will be unimpressed by this statement, as this is not news to them.[53] Jonathan Balcombe does not discuss or endorse zoophilia himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia

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MSizer

MSizer
an erect penis is an erect penis
and sadly its not hypothetical.....

....

The Kinsey reports controversially rated the percentage of people who had sexual interaction with animals at some point in their lives as 8% for men and 3.6% for women, and claimed it was 40–50 percent in people living near farms,[7] but some later writers dispute the figures, because the study lacked a random sample, and because the prison population was included, causing sampling bias. Martin Duberman has written that it is difficult to get a random sample in sexual research, and that even when Paul Gebhard, Kinsey's research successor, removed prison samples from the figures, he found the figures were not significantly changed.[8]
By 1974, the farm population in the USA had declined by 80 percent compared to 1940, reducing the opportunity to live with animals; Hunt's 1974 study suggests that the demographic changes led to a significant change in reported occurrence. Males in 1974 were 4.9% (1948: 8.3%), and in females in 1974 were 1.9% (1953: 3.6%). Miletski believes this is not a reduction in interest but a reduction in opportunity.[9]
Nancy Friday's 1973 book on female sexuality, My Secret Garden, comprised around 190 fantasies from different women; of these, 23 involve zoosexual activity.[10]

Zoophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This has nothing to do with the OP. Please stop cluttering my thread with non-significant information. If you feel I've been insensitve, report me or block me.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
I think monta brings up a good point about the inevitability of some sort of disorder linked to any such engagement, and itwillend's note about having to hide it also is worth considering, but I'm not convinced yet.

like I said, clearly you have never actually known any victims of incest
or else frankly you wouldn't be such an insensitive
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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
This has nothing to do with the OP. Please stop cluttering my thread with non-significant information. If you feel I've been insensitve, report me or block me.



clearly in your ignorance you tend to think all zoophilia is rape...
It isnt....
going by that and this thread... lets start a thread about consentual dog sex...hmmmm????



but sure....
I'll report you
 
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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
By your logic, since there are innocent victims of gun violence, we should not talk about it since that would be insensitive. Damn the consequences of course of slipping it under the carpet, because sensitivity is at stake here, right?
.

clearly you havnt known many rape victims or even victims of incest
It really is different to being shot:facepalm:
 

*Anne*

Bliss Ninny
I'm not going to discuss the morality of it. I just stepped in to say this is really, really gross.

I know, I know...it's just my opinion. I just had to say...something. *gag*

Carry on.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Just get out of my thread Cheese.

stop posting ridiculous threads then....

Predicts Msizer's next thread:

Is it morally permissable as homosapiens are omnivores, to eat your wife.
Hypothetically, if she gave consent, would you sautee and garnish her still warm corpse after she died from cancer...and serve her with a case of Miller Light?

Of course Douglas Adams already covered this topic in the resteraunt at the end of the universe....

jeffwintersppech5.jpg


"I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone and West Germany."
 

MSizer

MSizer
On behalf of the rape victims to whom you're so sensitive, thanks for stopping information sharing about a very important matter.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Is it morally permissible for a brother and sister (adults) to use birth control and willingly participate in a sexual act? Y/N? Why?

I can think of no argument that makes it immoral, since no harm is caused to anyone.

It's not immoral. It can be unhealthy mentally, according to studies, though.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
I'm not going to discuss the morality of it. I just stepped in to say this is really, really gross.

I know, I know...it's just my opinion. I just had to say...something. *gag*

Carry on.

how dare you....

I think it is fine to discuss such things....

If it was mutally permissable by two people
would you eat your lovers feces?

I mean, no one is being hurt... its not the norm in society and people would probably have to hide it...

lets discuss eating our lovers excretum...

what facts can find about turd eating?
I mean its just like any other thing in life...it's not hurting anyone..as it is consentual


We'll retire with a turd on our lips
Under a pair of knowing eyes
I'm gonna take a few down with me
And drop my good side
You can't kill it
Take it from our drummer, "Puff"
Being good it gets you stuff


--faith no more (song: cuckoo for caca from the album "king for a day, fool for a life time")
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
On behalf of the rape victims to whom you're so sensitive, thanks for stopping information sharing about a very important matter.

so would you eat you're lover's corpse after she had a death rattle....
if she had given consent?

:drool:
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I don't think so, unless it can be shown that psychological damage is done.

How can this be measured? That is, how can we know that incest is de facto psychologically harmful unless we review specific cases of this kind of thing?

I would guess that incestuous relations between siblings and parents would be an indicator of psychological disease or abuse. That is to say that these types of relationships/encounters are so taboo that to go down that road one would be exhausted of all other rational alternatives and have a series of other abuses and failed relationships that incest is the only choice (that would not be consent).
 

MSizer

MSizer
... It can be unhealthy mentally, according to studies, though.

If that is correct, then there may be a basis here for a moral argument against it, because many argue that morality not only deals with how we treat others, but that it also includes how we treat ourselves. If it turns out that engaging in such activities is known for sure to have negative health results, then some would call that a reason to call it immoral. I'm still on the fence though as to whether something you do to yourself can be considered morally impermissible myself.
 
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