Is the abrahamic God omniscient, and does that conflict with free will?

[Nakosis]

No dude

In the example you provided, you may save as you so willfully choose but in the end you may still end up homeless. "Correct for any wrong choices/actions I make?"-> That whole clause is irrelevant.

What do you believe is the why for this?

 

[Nakosis]

You can spin it any way you like, but the choice to save is already made.

Who made the choice?

Seems I made a choice to increase the chance of a future I would prefer at some point. Versus spending all of my money for more instant gratification.

 

[Nakosis]

Fixating on one word and ignoring the context is weak.

My point is that a mortal person is subject to linear time and makes their choices.
G-d is outside of time and knows the choices that we chosen.

If God were "timeless"? Then I'd think God would have no concern as to the choices we made. Our choices would not affect anything as far as God was concerned.

It would kind of make sense yes? Nothing man does or will do affects God.

So what's up with these commands that Moses (and/or other prophets) claim comes from God?

Why should we get punished for actions which can't affect God?

 

[Thruve]

What do you believe is the why for this?

Theres a number of possible reasons. It could be destiny, it could be the specific path you are on, or if the greed of money is a burning desire for you at the moment, then obviously wealth is something you won't obtain for the duration, regardless if you save or not. Oh oh! Car crash! Sudden illness, you got robbed! Scammed! The events/outcomes we cannot control.

 

[Thruve]

If God were "timeless"? Then I'd think God would have no concern as to the choices we made. Our choices would not affect anything as far as God was concerned.

It would kind of make sense yes? Nothing man does or will do affects God.

So what's up with these commands that Moses (and/or other prophets) claim comes from God?

Why should we get punished for actions which can't affect God?

Oh, but I think our choices would affect everything. His Will (if it exists) is hidden behind the choices we make.

You musn't think God is punishing. It often appears that way, but you cannot think of it as him punishing, it'll turn you atheist. Think of it as love, or rather, pain, because love is pain. Who gets tough without pain? Who gets strong without overcoming weakness? Thats how I choose to perceive it, anyhow. As hard as it freaking is to overcome some of the battles thrown our way, a warrior/champion fights through it. I have this air freshener in my car thats been hanging on my front mirror for years. It says "Pain is temporary, suffering is optional. Champions work through it".
Many of the verses some idiots have thrown my way that suggest god punishes, I LAWL in their face, because a god of love doesn't do such things. The IDIOTS who put the bible together should have left many verses out, but didn't. Ill punish them in the afterlife. Ill punish them severely for leaving "hell" to be misinterpreted too. Idiots.

 

[Nakosis]

Theres a number of possible reasons. It could be destiny, it could be the specific path you are on, or if the greed of money is a burning desire for you at the moment, then obviously wealth is something you won't obtain for the duration, regardless if you save or not. Oh oh! Car crash! Sudden illness, you got robbed! Scammed! The events/outcomes we cannot control.

I was just trying to understand if you felt there was some intelligence/higher being in control. Or perhaps the future is set is stone like determinism states. Everything is the result of everything that came before and can't be altered.

 

[Nakosis]

Oh, but I think our choices would affect everything. His Will (if it exists) is hidden behind the choices we make.

You musn't think God is punishing. It often appears that way, but you cannot think of it as him punishing, it'll turn you atheist. Think of it as love, or rather, pain, because love is pain. Who gets tough without pain? Who gets strong without overcoming weakness? Thats how I choose to perceive it, anyhow. As hard as it freaking is to overcome some of the battles thrown our way, a warrior/champion fights through it. I have this air freshener in my car thats been hanging on my front mirror for years. It says "Pain is temporary, suffering is optional. Champions work through it".
Many of the verses some idiots have thrown my way that suggest god punishes, I LAWL in their face, because a god of love doesn't do such things. The IDIOTS who put the bible together should have left many verses out, but didn't. Ill punish them in the afterlife. Ill punish them severely for leaving "hell" to be misinterpreted too. Idiots.

Ok, I was really just trying to understand your position better before trying to agree/disagree.

I probably agree more than disagree. If there is love involved as you say, then while our actions wouldn't affect God they'd affect us. A loving God would want us to make wise choices for our own sake.

 

[Willamena]

Who made the choice?

Seems I made a choice to increase the chance of a future I would prefer at some point. Versus spending all of my money for more instant gratification.

You made the choice, and that it's a chance for the future is a lovely image it carries. But the choice is here and now, and it's about here and now. To make it about that future that may not be is impractical.

 

[idav]

You made the choice, and that it's a chance for the future is a lovely image it carries. But the choice is here and now, and it's about here and now. To make it about that future that may not be is impractical.

That is the whole idea though. It takes actually knowing the future in the deterministic sense in order for the choice to be real. Else we thought we made a choice then didnt end up like predicted.

 

[Willamena]

That is the whole idea though. It takes actually knowing the future in the deterministic sense in order for the choice to be real. Else we thought we made a choice then didnt end up like predicted.

There is no future "in the deterministic sense" to know or for it to be about. The only reality is here and now. The future is projections and predictions of probabilities (we have created it to contrast to the past, which is memories and records of remembrances). The choice is only real here and now.

And this is where free will resides.

 

[idav]

There is no future "in the deterministic sense" to know or for it to be about. The only reality is here and now. The future is projections and predictions of probabilities (we have created it to contrast to the past, which is memories and records of remembrances). The choice is only real here and now.

And this is where free will resides.

Futures can be predicted with precision using determinism, but we can also predict future potentials for instances that, if any number of variables happen to be different.

 

[Nakosis]

You made the choice, and that it's a chance for the future is a lovely image it carries. But the choice is here and now, and it's about here and now. To make it about that future that may not be is impractical.

Ok, the image of a possible future is the cause of my decision.

So if we make choices which are not based on past or future images?

Maybe we should be creating each moment to be what we choose it to be.

What is created is a felling of security in the moment the decision was made, to save for the future.

 

[Willamena]

Ok, the image of a possible future is the cause of my decision.

Is it? Isn't the real cause the current desire to attain the image? That desire is here and now.

So if we make choices which are not based on past or future images?

Maybe we should be creating each moment to be what we choose it to be.

I don't think we have a choice to do that, unless we're a very skilled master.

What is created is a felling of security in the moment the decision was made, to save for the future.

I don't understand.

 

[Skwim]

That may be but consciousness and memory is what has evolved fighting that decoherence. We cant have streamed consciousness if our memories were fading out as fast as we could process it.

I don't think even you understand what you've said here.

 

[idav]

I don't think even you understand what you've said here.

I am not making it up. Neurons struggle to have attention spans. So my claim is that brains had to find away around decoherence. How else is a neuron supposed to hold onto a thought for more than 1 second without some sort of prolonged correlations. I keep thinking of entanglement when I think of brains and thats what they are using in quantum computing.

 

[Akivah]

If God were "timeless"? Then I'd think God would have no concern as to the choices we made. Our choices would not affect anything as far as God was concerned. It would kind of make sense yes? Nothing man does or will do affects God.

Yes, you are correct that our choices can't affect G-d. G-d wants us to choose the best choices for ourselves. He has told us what is good and what is in our own best interests.

So what's up with these commands that Moses (and/or other prophets) claim comes from God? Why should we get punished for actions which can't affect God?

Our choices affect us and others around us. Our bad choices cause bad results. If we stuff ourselves with candy, we can't claim its unfair that we get a tummy ache.

 

[Jp16]

Does the Abrahamic God have an infinite amount of knowledge about everything? I believe he does since the abrahamic faiths frequently claim that he knows the past, present, and future. They also claim he is infinitely righteous and good, which would require him to have infinite knowledge about himself--he would have to know an infinite amount of truths and falsehoods about himself.

This begs the question of whether or not free will exists. If God knows the past, present, and future, then he also knew the past, present, and future when he created us. This would mean that our lives are entirely deterministic since knowing the future requires one to know all the events that lead to that future, which implies that those events already existed at the time we were create and that we have no choice but to follow them.

Bismillah,

You have indeed asked a very deep question. According to Islam, we firmly believe that God knows everything. His knowledge is infinite. He knows about all the animals and where they hide at night. He knows the precise way of a leaf as it is falling from the tree. Nothing in the heavens and the earth is hidden from Him. How perfect He is.

We believe that the first thing God created was the pen, and He commanded it to write down everything that would happen until the end of the world.

At the same time we are responsible for our actions. We cannot blame God for our sins or unwillingness to believe in Him.

You have a will but you can only will what God has willed. For example, you want to do something the next day. Now you can only do it if God has decreed it for you.