Is the 'church' the antichrist?

[ChristineES]

Since I believe "The Church" to be the entire body of Yeshua's followers (Christians), then I couldn't possibly believe the Church to be the anti-Christ.

 

[BummerBeavis]

In both the Pentecostal and Faith church I belonged to, we considered the Catholic Church to be antichrist.

SO ARE YOU A MASON?

 

[Ouroboros]

Since I believe "The Church" to be the entire body of Yeshua's followers (Christians), then I couldn't possibly believe the Church to be the anti-Christ.

The more advanced theories I heard was that antichrist was supposed to be a world leader (like the president of USA or something), and a false church would be the "whore" Rev 13 (I think it is) talks about. It's all just speculation. I learned over the years that there were more theories and interpretations of these things than there were Christians. No one really knows what they're supposed to mean. It's more likely that the author was talking about events and characters during his own lifetime, and not future ones.

 

[Ouroboros]

SO ARE YOU A MASON?

??? Uh. No. ? Why?

 

[ChristineES]

The more advanced theories I heard was that antichrist was supposed to be a world leader (like the president of USA or something), and a false church would be the "whore" Rev 13 (I think it is) talks about. It's all just speculation. I learned over the years that there were more theories and interpretations of these things than there were Christians. No one really knows what they're supposed to mean. It's more likely that the author was talking about events and characters during his own lifetime, and not future ones.

I would guess that the anti-Christ would be someone who says that he or she is a follower of Yeshua and be deceitful. If that is true, there have been a lot of anti-Christs. None of them are the Anti-Christ, I would assume.

 

[Ouroboros]

I would guess that the anti-Christ would be someone who says that he or she is a follower of Yeshua and be deceitful. If that is true, there have been a lot of anti-Christs. None of them are the Anti-Christ, I would assume.

Right. I think that's how it's supposed to be interpreted.

 

[BummerBeavis]

??? Uh. No. ? Why?

because many people who claim the antichrist is not the pope are masons.

 

[BummerBeavis]

The more advanced theories I heard was that antichrist was supposed to be a world leader (like the president of USA or something), and a false church would be the "whore" Rev 13 (I think it is) talks about. It's all just speculation. I learned over the years that there were more theories and interpretations of these things than there were Christians. No one really knows what they're supposed to mean. It's more likely that the author was talking about events and characters during his own lifetime, and not future ones.

Dude VICARIOUS FILII DEI means THE SUBSTITUTE FOR THE SON OF GOD and it adds up to 666. for the last 2k years christianity exposed the popes of rome as the antichrist like their legal title clearly states they are antichrist. apostate christianity does not let its followers know this

 

[Ouroboros]

because many people who claim the antichrist is not the pope are masons.

Well, sorry to disappoint, but I'm not a mason.

Also, what I said was a reference to what I used to believe, not what I believe today. The church I belonged to wasn't Masons but an evangelical church, more specifically one in the "Faith" movement. Today, personally, I don't believe there's any "antichrist" at all. It's just a religious idea or symbol that can be used by fundamentalists and extremists to paint and accuse anyone who's of another belief.

 

[Ouroboros]

Dude VICARIOUS FILII DEI means THE SUBSTITUTE FOR THE SON OF GOD

Actually, "vicarious" doesn't mean substitute but more like intermediary. It's the same word that's used when we call a priest a "vicar." It's more like proxy. A messenger.

and it adds up to 666.

I've heard that before. I don't remember how it's done though. Can you show how to do it?

for the last 2k years christianity exposed the popes of rome as the antichrist like their legal title clearly states they are antichrist. apostate christianity does not let its followers know this

Well, the pope didn't exist 2k years ago. The catholic church didn't start until a couple of hundred years later, and it was for the purpose to hold Christians together in one faith and keep heretics at bay.

 

[BummerBeavis]

Actually, "vicarious" doesn't mean substitute but more like intermediary. It's the same word that's used when we call a priest a "vicar." It's more like proxy. A messenger.


I've heard that before. I don't remember how it's done though. Can you show how to do it?


Well, the pope didn't exist 2k years ago. The catholic church didn't start until a couple of hundred years later, and it was for the purpose to hold Christians together in one faith and keep heretics at bay.

Vicarious filii dei adds to 666. it means The substitute for the son of god. it is the legal title of the Popes. they claim title as the antichrist. vatican = vatis=divining can= serpent. the whore is the catholic church. her daughters are the protestant church

 

[BummerBeavis]

Actually, "vicarious" doesn't mean substitute but more like intermediary. It's the same word that's used when we call a priest a "vicar." It's more like proxy. A messenger.


I've heard that before. I don't remember how it's done though. Can you show how to do it?


Well, the pope didn't exist 2k years ago. The catholic church didn't start until a couple of hundred years later, and it was for the purpose to hold Christians together in one faith and keep heretics at bay.

you can look it up. the popes aka antichrist also claim to be able to forgive your sins, and call themselves "the Holy Father" which is calling themselves God. they also are head of the only church described in rev 17.

 

[BummerBeavis]

Actually, "vicarious" doesn't mean substitute but more like intermediary. It's the same word that's used when we call a priest a "vicar." It's more like proxy. A messenger.


I've heard that before. I don't remember how it's done though. Can you show how to do it?


Well, the pope didn't exist 2k years ago. The catholic church didn't start until a couple of hundred years later, and it was for the purpose to hold Christians together in one faith and keep heretics at bay.

yes for like nearly 1600 years when rome became a church/state under the antichrist popes

 

[Ouroboros]

Vicarious filii dei adds to 666. it means The substitute for the son of god. it is the legal title of the Popes. they claim title as the antichrist. vatican = vatis=divining can= serpent. the whore is the catholic church. her daughters are the protestant church

Too bad then that the earliest manuscript that's been found doesn't have 666 but 616 as the number of the beast. Is it possible to get 616 out of the title as well?

I remember when I was younger, as a member of a Pentecostal church, we had one older guy who knew so much about all these things. I think he predicted that the world was going to end sometime in the 80's. Well, we had the fall of Soviet. Maybe that's what God told him about?

 

[serp777]

The term ‘antichrist’ is used only in the epistles of John. In the popular imagination, fostered in part by Hollywood, the antichrist is often conflated with the Beast, the False Prophet and/or Satan in Revelation. These are in fact three different entities and none of them is the antichrist as defined in the epistles of John.

Who is the antichrist?
“whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ … is the antichrist” (1 Jn 2:22)
“every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus … is the spirit of the antichrist” (1 Jn 4:3)
“who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh … is the deceiver and the antichrist” (2 Jn 1:7)

The antichrist is anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah) and has come in the flesh. John refers mainly to persons but also to spirits. These are not ghosts but thoughts that arise from other than the Spirit that comes from God.

Any church that accepts that Jesus is the Christ and has come in the flesh (or members thereof) is therefore not the antichrist.

So everyone not apart of the Christian faith is the anti Christ? Seems like a pretty liberal definition. Why don't we throw that out along with genocide against the canaanites, slavery, the slaughter of all the children in Egypt because the pharaoh didn't believe an old man was communicating with God, all of exodus, etc. I mean i'm sure the Muslims are also saying that Christians who reject the perfect prophet Mohammed are the devil.

 

[BummerBeavis]

So everyone not apart of the Christian faith is the anti Christ? Seems like a pretty liberal definition. Why don't we throw that out along with genocide against the canaanites, slavery, the slaughter of all the children in Egypt because the pharaoh didn't believe an old man was communicating with God, all of exodus, etc. I mean i'm sure the Muslims are also saying that Christians who reject the perfect prophet Mohammed are the devil.

no Vicarious filii dei is the antichrist

 

[paarsurrey]

Is the 'church' (the institutions, the antichrist?

For sure it is.
Jesus and Mary were Jews and they believed in ONE G-d, the Church and its institutions teach Trinity so they are Anti-Christ.
Regards