Is the developed world trying to turn India into its dustbin?

[74x12]

You totally miss the point, and lack empathy here

IF a criminal kills someone THEN you don't ask "why does the victim not do something about it" or would you?

The point is that the West is a huge hypocrite in the news acting as if it cares about our environment, but in reality the West only cares about money and dumping their **** in India and many other countries like this

Similar as when the West used slaves in the past or stole valuables from India etc

I agree with you to a degree but then I think the most blame worthy party is the Indian government. It's up to them to regulate these things and protect their own people. You aren't just going to give them a free pass are you and blame everything on Europe?

I think they should be held accountable.

 

[stvdv]

I agree with you to a degree but then I think the most blame worthy party is the Indian government. It's up to them to regulate these things and protect their own people. You aren't just going to give them a free pass are you and blame everything on Europe?

I think they should be held accountable.

We just had a thread today about: a)a killer + b)who paid the killer
The one who paid the killer is also guilty. This is exactly the same

Besides that:
Dumping waste is Adharmic. God gave us a beautiful earth ... no waste, and humans mess up big time. Shows how ungrateful and stupid they act
'Loophole' will let UK continue to ship plastic waste to poorer countries

Illegal dumping of waste is a crime
And the dumpings we know of are just the tip of the iceberg

Investigation finds plastic from the UK and Germany illegally dumped in Turkey - Greenpeace International

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Thanks, I did not know that

I thought the Ganges was polluted by only Indians. I never thought that the garbage of the West is dumped in the Ganges. But it makes sense, even in Holland criminals dump chemical waste in rivers, as it is known to be difficult to find the culprit.

Most Indians possess too little to really pollute like Americans pollute (Europeans also do their share). Though plastic bags and stuff is also a problem when there are 1300 million of it daily

Aren't there plastic islands somewhere in southeast Asia as well.. I saw something on that

Each of us in america probably does use more resources than dozens of people living in a far simpler way, but I wonder about the origins of the food pathway for any living person today. Are we all just petrochemical children of the haber-bosch process, with bones made of corn starch, made from low quality corn hybridized for density? If it's not sustainable and we still want to grow, it seems like we'll have to take flight of this planet.

 

[stvdv]

Are we all just petrochemical children of the haber-bosch process, with bones made of corn starch, made from low quality corn hybridized for density?

Humans are quite good at adapting to new environments, so humans will survive IMO, though it impacts of course our mind, cells, etc.

If it's not sustainable and we still want to grow, it seems like we'll have to take flight of this planet.

I read about people wanting to go to Mars. That will never happen I think. We better clean up our own mess on earth, and reduce the world population

 

[Vinayaka]

Extremely impoverished people will do a lot to survive.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Humans are quite good at adapting to new environments, so humans will survive IMO, though it impacts of course our mind, cells, etc.

What would be the life expectancy, and body and mind health quality, of such people

I read about people wanting to go to Mars. That will never happen I think. We better clean up our own mess on earth, and reduce the world population

And what is the best way to develop a respect for nature, or possible subservience to it, if that is required

 

[stvdv]

What would be the life expectancy, and body and mind health quality, of such people

In the past 100 years life expectancy went up from ca. 50/25 (man/women) to 79/79 Google gave, so in general the fresh air did not give longer life , and the pollution did not diminish life expectancy. And although mind es influenced by our sense impressions (food, air etc), the ultimate goal in Advaita is to be free, meaning nothing impacts the mind

So, from my POV, there is no problem at all in this case, because my goal is Spiritual. Of course I do my best to pollute the earth as little as possible

And what is the best way to develop a respect for nature, or possible subservience to it, if that is required

No respect for nature, implies "lack of love". So love is the key to develop respect for nature

 

[amorphous_constellation]

In the past 100 years life expectancy went up from ca. 50/25 (man/women) to 79/79 Google gave, so in general the fresh air did not give longer life , and the pollution did not diminish life expectancy.

I hear that kind of thing said a lot, that life expectancy wasn't so good before the modern era. But I really think it's uncertain unless you look group by group. Before the modern world, not every area probably had the same the diseases . Diet chains are probably more similar than they ever were. Lifestyle could not have been as risky, everywhere you looked

So, from my POV, there is no problem at all in this case, because my goal is Spiritual. Of course I do my best to pollute the earth as little as possible

I think of myself having a spiritual goal as well , but it is more of something that is facilitated by the physical

No respect for nature, implies "lack of love". So love is the key to develop respect for nature

I guess. I read too many things about where nature can be unforgiving if you make a mistake though , for example I just read 'into the wild'

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Thete is no doubt now that humanity is heading for a self inflicted calamity on a grand scale.

I watched most of that the other day. Wow the bio-fuel thing seems just stupid, there is no other word for it.. Burning wood, burning our forests for energy is like going backward. I'm glad I watched the show, because I didn't know that's what they were doing

I don't think these are environmentalists that are promoting these methods , if they can after watching that . As I think I wrote earlier, there is only one party, the pro-growth party. And that party only wants to increase population, and maintain the status quo regarding our lifestyle. The left wants urban development , the right loves industry. They both need industry

Coincidentally, the past two mornings I got off work, they were talking about another thing I never heard of on the radio, which is pfass contamination. So-called forever chemicals that get into drinking water, because of foam that firefighters use, or something. I'd never heard of that. I don't want to know about that.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I watched most of that the other day. Wow the bio-fuel thing seems just stupid, there is no other word for it.. Burning wood, burning our forests for energy is like going backward

I don't think these are environmentalists that are promoting these methods . As I think I wrote earlier, there is only one party, the pro-growth party. And that party only wants to increase population, and maintain the status quo regarding our lifestyle. The left wants urban development , the right loves industry. They both need industry

The past two mornings I got off work, they were talking about something I never heard of on the radio, which is pfass contamination. So-called forever chemicals that get into drinking water, because of foam that firefighters use, or something. I'd never heard of that. I don't want to know about that.

It is scary stuff.

The biggest issue is that we mostly are all following the norm, but that norm is catching up with us, we need to drastically change our priorities.

I am working on that change at a personal and a partner level, but that is far to little, far to late.

We will witness great change, it may even take another war, God forbid. It may also be the earth will show us we need to look after it and quake us into submission.

Regards Tony

 

[amorphous_constellation]

The biggest issue is that we mostly are all following the norm, but that norm is catching up with us, we need to drastically change our priorities.

Indeed, my personal solution was to try to focus on that, by pursuing spirituality under the name of 'Animism,' before I lost faith and became an agnostic. Perhaps this is starting to convince me to turn back to animism, which I understand as a kind of spirituality that places man in subservience to nature

Very easy to turn away from that, and just say to heck with it.. After all, my life is not the life of an activist. I am after all, a blue-collar factory worker in the midwest. Like a thoreau, appreciating nature, but ultimately ending up in the local plant. But I apparently don't have the right to live in a better way. So how can I be an animist

 

[Twilight Hue]

Europe is really acting criminal and hypocritical, dumping their e-waste in third world countries
I am glad that we have Indian WION news now, because Europe won't allow such news

Is the developed world trying to turn India into its dustbin?

I'm all for it. Dump it all on those "IRS" scamming scumbags.

Apologies for the rest of India.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Indeed, my personal solution was to try to focus on that, by pursuing spirituality under the name of 'Animism,' before I lost faith and became an agnostic. Perhaps this is starting to convince me to turn back to animism, which I understand as a kind of spirituality that places man in subservience to nature

Very easy to turn away from that, and just say to heck with it.. After all, my life is not the life of an activist. I am after all, a blue-collar factory worker in the midwest. Like a thoreau, appreciating nature, but ultimately ending up in the local plant. But I apparently don't have the right to live in a better way. So how can I be an animist

It is all about finding a balance, material civilization breeds greed to direct us to want and acquire far more then we need.

We do have to balance our material wants with spiritual virtues.

How we choose to do that is our journey in this life.

All the best, stay safe, stay happy.

Regards Tony