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Is the evolutionary doctrine a racist doctrine?

Argentbear

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Eli G said:
Tell me something: what is the reason that I have to accept as true all that story with no proof that you tell us? Should I accept it as religious believers accept sermons?

At least I use the Bible to prove my beliefs. :cool:
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you make the dishonest statement about no proof and then go on to tout your belief in the bible....Remind me just what the bible says about false witness
 
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Eli G

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I said: "At least I use the Bible to prove my beliefs". I don't look for scientific theories in the Bible.

Scientific truths are supposed to be proven when they are presented, not preached. That's a system that is supposed to apply only to matters of faith and belief. Sermons are not scientific, but it's most of what we read here. The most shameful thing is that when those sermons are not accepted as they are preached, the exponents become angry and begin to insult...
 
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Eli G

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One thing that you seem not to understand: that I don't belong to your faith doesn't mean I'm wrong.
You're all about getting personal and not about real proofs. You should stop with that. It's shameful to yourselves.
 
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IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Eli G said:
I found an interesting news story somewhere that proves to me what I was afraid of: evolutionists constantly change their rhetoric and therefore cannot be trusted at all.

The news story says that evolutionists AGAIN believe that the apes that transformed into humans originally lived in Europe and then moved to Africa.

They are as fickle as the stock market. Who are you betting on this week? Africa, Asia, Europa, Australia? :D
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If you are the sort to believe Genesis 1 is history, I have no problem with you. I'm very laid back when others disagree with me, even when I hold an opinion quite strongly. I have no illusions that my arguments will change any minds. I simply love the discussion and enjoy expressing my thoughts, just as I enjoy reading yours.

I can see why we might seem "fickle" to you. However, the word "fickle" usually means often changing who you are loyal to, or what your feelings for someone are. That's not what's going on here.

I'm sure that one of the mantras you hear ad infinitum is "We are loyal to the evidence, not the conclusions." What this means is that if and when we get new evidence, and that new evidence impacts a previous conclusion, we change our conclusion rather than try to force the evidence into supporting our preconceived ideas. This is a GOOD thing. Where you see "fickleness," I see the humility to know that we are sometimes wrong, and the ability to guard against bias. Far from being "fickle," we are absolutely unwavering in our commitment to the evidence.

It's the very opposite of religions that are fundamentalist in nature. These begin with the conclusion, such as God made the world in six days and in this order, and then go out looking for evidence to support it, ignoring all evidence to the contrary. Perhaps creationists think of themselves as being "faithful to the truth," but what I see is them being so dogmatic that they wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the face. "Don't confuse me with the facts! My mind is made up!"
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Eli G said:
Were not paleontological frauds EVIDENCE of the past? ;)
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Unfortunately it would be foolish to suggest that fraudsters are not everywhere that there is a buck to be made.
This is perhaps more common in religious organizations and with fake miracle workers.
than by peer reviewed scientists.
But wherever there are people there will be some fraud and error.
 
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Eli G

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Terrywoodenpic said:
Unfortunately it would be foolish to suggest that fraudsters are not everywhere that there is a buck to be made.
This is perhaps more common in religious organizations and with fake miracle workers.
than by peer reviewed scientists.
But wherever there are people there will be some fraud and error.
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Making an apology for human imperfection? :oops:

If frauds were "evidence" in the past... it's because they were accepted by faith.

What about current "evidence"? ;)
 
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Eli G

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@Terrywoodenpic I don't think you´re following the dialog, but thanks for trying.

By the way, and without getting too personal, I see that you have an avatar that points to the Orthodox Church. Are you a Christian?
 
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Eli G

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Terrywoodenpic said:
I made no apology. Humans are imperfect.
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Sorry, I just realized that Google Translator didn't correctly translate my input.

I think maybe instead of "Making an apology for human imperfection?" it would have been more accurate: "are you using rhetoric in favor of human imperfection?"

I believe that from an evolutionary point of view, the "human imperfection" that attempts to justify the immoral behavior of so many humans would have only one explanation: the inability of human beings to govern themselves, like a wise king said:

Eccl. 8:16 I applied my heart to acquire wisdom and to see all the activity happening on the earth, even going without sleep day and night. 17 Then I considered all the work of the true God, and I realized that mankind cannot comprehend what happens under the sun. No matter how hard men try, they cannot comprehend it. Even if they claim that they are wise enough to know, they cannot really comprehend it.

A more "higher" education would partially resolve the situation, but the optimal solution will be the establishment of the Kingdom of Christ on earth, since according to the Bible it will solve all the problems that afflict humanity, from hunger to disease and death.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Eli G said:
@Terrywoodenpic I don't think you´re following the dialog, but thanks for trying.

By the way, and without getting too personal, I see that you have an avatar that points to the Orthodox Church. Are you a Christian?
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I am a traditional. Christian unitarian. But attend an Anglican church. As the nearest non-proscribing Presbyterian Churches for are all in Ireland. https://6en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-subscribing_Presbyterian_Church_of_Ireland
Or think of me as a heretic, if that suits you better.

I am following the dialogue, but in my own way. I m not easily diverted by dogma. The NSPC will have none of it.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Eli G said:
Sorry, I just realized that Google Translator didn't correctly translate my input.

I think maybe instead of "Making an apology for human imperfection?" it would have been more accurate: "are you using rhetoric in favor of human imperfection?"

I believe that from an evolutionary point of view, the "human imperfection" that attempts to justify the immoral behavior of so many humans would have only one explanation: the inability of human beings to govern themselves, like a wise king said:

Eccl. 8:16 I applied my heart to acquire wisdom and to see all the activity happening on the earth, even going without sleep day and night. 17 Then I considered all the work of the true God, and I realized that mankind cannot comprehend what happens under the sun. No matter how hard men try, they cannot comprehend it. Even if they claim that they are wise enough to know, they cannot really comprehend it.

A more "higher" education would partially resolve the situation, but the optimal solution will be the establishment of the Kingdom of Christ on earth, since according to the Bible it will solve all the problems that afflict humanity, from hunger to disease and death.
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Human imperfection justifies nothing, it is just the natural human state.
Man has no ability to comprehend God.
At best, Like through a glass darkly.
As a unitarian I do not accept the Trinity.
The Bible contains the best record that we have of the life and teachings of Jesus.
Most of the bible contains either the records and thoughts of the early Christians or of the ancient Jews. None of it is the actual word of God. All is subject to the error and invention of man.
 
Argentbear

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Eli G said:
I said: "At least I use the Bible to prove my beliefs". I don't look for scientific theories in the Bible.

Scientific truths are supposed to be proven when they are presented, not preached. That's a system that is supposed to apply only to matters of faith and belief. Sermons are not scientific, but it's most of what we read here. The most shameful thing is that when those sermons are not accepted as they are preached, the exponents become angry and begin to insult...
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Theories are not and can not be "proven" if they could they would be facts.

Theories rely on evidence to support them but no matter how much evidence they remain theories. Like Gravity and atomic theory and the strange idea that illness and disease are caused by organisms to small to be seen
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Eli G said:
I found an interesting news story somewhere that proves to me what I was afraid of: evolutionists constantly change their rhetoric and therefore cannot be trusted at all.

The news story says that evolutionists AGAIN believe that the apes that transformed into humans originally lived in Europe and then moved to Africa.

They are as fickle as the stock market. Who are you betting on this week? Africa, Asia, Europa, Australia? :D
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The odds are that you misunderstood the article. In other words, if you cannot link it you got it wrong. And what is worse for you it does not support your case even if you are right.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
Not heard that one. However they must have evolved somewhere. And the date of the earliest remains will have some bearing on where it was. Most genetic studies put that in Africa.
But finding fossils depends a great deal on luck.
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It strikes a chord, but I do not think that there are claims that it was necessarily a human ancestor. Just that apes lived outside of a Africa before humans left.
 
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