Is the God of the Bible a Saddist?

[Kilgore Trout]

The Bible finds neither of them subjective or irrelevant. Salvation and sanctification are two major elements of Scripture.

Yes, but there are no meaningful consquences if you're not good - hence, irrelevant and subjective.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Yes, but there are no meaningful consquences if you're not good - hence, irrelevant and subjective.

There are meaningful consequences to the Christian.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

There are meaningful consequences to the Christian.

Okay, what are they?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Okay, what are they?

From post #51, "There is a whole issue of rewards in heaven (whatever that means), how others see the exercise your faith and how that effects their belief in God's existance, the issue of internal peace that only God can offer to those who believe in Him, among other things."

 

[JustWondering]

I seriously doubt you are interested. Proverbs 26:4

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

So you are resorting to name calling now? Nice. So the Bible instructs their believers to ignore people and judge people. Nice. I'll have to remember this handy biblical gem. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Also, you still haven't answered my question. How can someone who is not lying or insane truthfully say they love you while inflicting horrible suffering on you? Oh, wait thats right. Since I don't share your beliefs I'm a fool and you don't have to answer me.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

So you are resorting to name calling now? Nice. So the Bible instructs their believers to ignore people and judge people. Nice. I'll have to remember this handy biblical gem. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Also, you still haven't answered my question. How can someone who is not lying or insane truthfully say they love you while inflicting horrible suffering on you? Oh, wait thats right. Since I don't share your beliefs I'm a fool and you don't have to answer me.

The Bible instructs believers not to become engaged in doubtful disputations. I doubt that you are seriosly interested in having your views corrected.

You question is irrelevent because it is based on fallacious arguments. That is my answer.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

From post #51, "There is a whole issue of rewards in heaven (whatever that means), how others see the exercise your faith and how that effects their belief in God's existance, the issue of internal peace that only God can offer to those who believe in Him, among other things."

So, depending on how good you are in life, you get treated differently in heaven?

For the second point, "exercising your faith" isn't necessarily the same as being good/moral - you can be good/moral without having faith. It doesn't follow that people will be more likely to believe in god's existence because they saw you do good things.

Lastly, whether and how you obtain "internal peace" is highly subjective. What if you're feeling plenty of inner peace without doing good things - it's alright to skip them?

Still, anything that pertains to this life compared to eternity in an afterlife is pretty insignificant. I mean, 10^5000 years from now are you even going to remember mortal life?

 

[JustWondering]

Not by definition. God recieves no pleasure from the sin or the punshment of the wicked.

Do you have a handy Biblical verse to back this up?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Do you have a handy Biblical verse to back this up?

Yes, but I'll stick to post #66.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

So, depending on how good you are in life, you get treated differently in heaven?

There is a judgement seat for the believer that pertains to things done as a believer.

For the second point, "exercising your faith" isn't necessarily the same as being good/moral - you can be good/moral without having faith. It doesn't follow that people will be more likely to believe in god's existence because they saw you do good things.

Being a lousy person is a lousy testament to the effecacy of God's redeeming power.

Lastly, whether and how you obtain "internal peace" is highly subjective. What if you're feeling plenty of inner peace without doing good things - it's alright to skip them?

The peace that comes from God is different from the peace we accieve by ourselves.

Still, anything that pertains to this life compared to eternity in an afterlife is pretty insignificant. I mean, 10^5000 years from now are you even going to remember mortal life?

I believe the Bible teaches that we will have no remembrance of this life.

 

[Father Heathen]

What a childish position. I suppose He's obligated to accept everything you do because you wish it?

No, but I would expect the most intelligent being in the world to conduct himself in a more sensible and rational manner, and to serve as an example by actually embodying the virtues he demands of us. The god of the bible is portrayed as a brutish, blood thirsty ogre. Certainly not something worthy of worship.

 

[JustWondering]

If a Christian heard of an abusive Human parent that demanded their child to love them or they'd burn the child alive they would clearly think that parent was criminaly insane.

Yet, when God does the same EXACT thing, Christians view it as perfectly rational.

What am I missing here?

 

[Comicaze247]

If a Christian heard of an abusive Human parent that demanded their child to love them or they'd burn the child alive they would clearly think that parent was criminaly insane.

Yet, when God does the same EXACT thing, Christians view it as perfectly rational.

What am I missing here?

I'd frubal you for that statement, but I've frubal'd you too recently

 

[TriDaan]

I apologize. I should have mentioned in my OP that I am refering to the God of the Christian Bible. The God of the Bible created everything (according to the Bible anyway). Which means that God created living things to experience pain and suffering. God created living things to slowly age, wither and die. What possible purpose does it serve to make us suffer? Is the reason we were made to suffer is because God is a saddist? If Humans are sinners thats because thats the way God made us to be. It is like God hating the color green and then creating people with green skin and then punishing them for it. The only rational reason I can come up with to explain God's behavior is that he is a saddist.

Actually according to the Bible God did not create things to age and die. Death itself (physical and spiritual a.k.a. seperation from God) was a consequence of disobedience, before the eating of the fruit, life was immortal. I believe that God created mankind for the purpose of glorifying Him. However unless we had the choice to not glorify Him then we would be mindless robots and our adoration would be worthless. However If we have an alternative to the original purpose and we still choose God, then value is added to our praise and we have some worth in God's sight. Unfortunately the only existing representatives of our race chose to reject God and in their rejection all of humanity is guilty. And that is what Hell is, eternal seperation from God. However God has granted us an alternative, we are already dead (being born in a default state of rebellion and therefore spiritual death) He simply offers to revive us.

 

[JustWondering]

Actually according to the Bible God did not create things to age and die. Death itself (physical and spiritual a.k.a. seperation from God) was a consequence of disobedience, before the eating of the fruit, life was immortal. I believe that God created mankind for the purpose of glorifying Him. However unless we had the choice to not glorify Him then we would be mindless robots and our adoration would be worthless. However If we have an alternative to the original purpose and we still choose God, then value is added to our praise and we have some worth in God's sight. Unfortunately the only existing representatives of our race chose to reject God and in their rejection all of humanity is guilty. And that is what Hell is, eternal seperation from God. However God has granted us an alternative, we are already dead (being born in a default state of rebellion and therefore spiritual death) He simply offers to revive us.

Do you have any direct quotes from the Bible to support your position?

 

[JustWondering]

Actually according to the Bible God did not create things to age and die. Death itself (physical and spiritual a.k.a. seperation from God) was a consequence of disobedience, before the eating of the fruit, life was immortal.

Before Adam and Eve were kicked to the curb (kicked out of Eden)

Genesis 3:24 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

According to the Bible you are mistaken.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

No, but I would expect the most intelligent being in the world to conduct himself in a more sensible and rational manner, and to serve as an example by actually embodying the virtues he demands of us. The god of the bible is portrayed as a brutish, blood thirsty ogre. Certainly not something worthy of worship.

You mean you wish He would conform to your image. Scary.

 

[Father Heathen]

You mean you wish He would conform to your image. Scary.

He didn't have any trouble conforming to ancient Hebrew goat herders' image.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

If a Christian heard of an abusive Human parent that demanded their child to love them or they'd burn the child alive they would clearly think that parent was criminaly insane.

Yet, when God does the same EXACT thing, Christians view it as perfectly rational.

What am I missing here?

You have to wait until your child is dead?

 

[McBell]

He didn't have any trouble conforming to ancient Hebrew goat herders' image.

Or Sandy's for that matter....
Or roli's
or not4me's

the list goes on and on