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Is the media coverage of the Church really fair and unbiased?

Why is it seem like the vast majority of "news" that secular media seems to cover in regards to the Church (Christianity) seems to revolve are sex scandals and queers? Is that really the extent of the Church's relevancy in the 21st Century? Do people realize that the Church is on the forefront when it comes to caring for sick and the homeless? Why does the media seem to shy away from covering stories in which people's lives improved because of what the Church provided? Which leads to another question, is the term "secular" in America often a code word for a "religion", one who's tenets are built on rationalism (ie. worship of the self), and sexual "freedom"? In other words, is "secularism" in America another name for a movement which opposes everything that Jesus stands for and is indeed anti-Christian? Is the media actively trying to promote its "values"?
The vast majority of 'news' in general is negative; there is no special treatment of the Church in this regard. Media attitudes are positive only when focused on doctrines in which they have a vested interest; the Church's 'relevancy' depends on how well its doctrines compliment those of corporate enterprise.

As to the last part, I think you are overlooking the fact, as Kilgore pointed out, that much of what the Church itself stands for can be perceived as anti-Christian.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Why is it seem like the vast majority of "news" that secular media seems to cover in regards to the Church (Christianity) seems to revolve are sex scandals and queers? Is that really the extent of the Church's relevancy in the 21st Century? Do people realize that the Church is on the forefront when it comes to caring for sick and the homeless? Why does the media seem to shy away from covering stories in which people's lives improved because of what the Church provided?
Matt 7:19-20
19 Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.​

Would you say that media coverage of church related scandals relates to being cut down and thrown into the fire? Notice how the media is not cutting down and throwing into the fire the good and charitable things the churches do?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
If you think every news story is innately biased, then I'm really starting to wonder what 'bias' even means, and the somewhat pointless disregard for the word's meaning, if it's just explicitly applies to every thing.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In other words, fair and balanced.
"Fair & balanced" is not the same as "unbiased".
The latter is impossible, but the former is a worthy goal.
Example:
If NPR covers an economic issue with discussion panelists from both free
market & statist advocates, I'd call that an attempt at fairness & balance.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If you think every news story is innately biased, then I'm really starting to wonder what 'bias' even means, and the somewhat pointless disregard for the word's meaning, if it's just explicitly applies to every thing.
We often don't notice bias when it's shared, eg, news coverage of the Boston bombing was biased in favor
of victims & against terrorists. It seems absurdly obvious to say this, but it points out the ubiquity of bias.
More controversial examples would be Fox's pro-Republican stance, & MSNBC's being pro-Democrat.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
We often don't notice bias when it's shared, eg, news coverage of the Boston bombing was biased in favor
of victims & against terrorists. It seems absurdly obvious to say this, but it points out the ubiquity of bias.
More controversial examples would be Fox's pro-Republican stance, & MSNBC's being pro-Democrat.

Generally, when we speak of bias in media, we are referring to a large-scale trend. And sure there is plenty of bias in the world, and in the news world. But that doesn't mean nor make the case that all news is inherently biased. Now, if we are talking about the television stations, I wouldn't expect much to be unbiased in that regards.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Generally, when we speak of bias in media, we are referring to a large-scale trend. And sure there is plenty of bias in the world, and in the news world. But that doesn't mean nor make the case that all news is inherently biased. Now, if we are talking about the television stations, I wouldn't expect much to be unbiased in that regards.
How can a news source not have some bias regarding their country, shared politics, shared religion, etc?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
How can a news source not have some bias regarding their country, shared politics, shared religion, etc?

Before, and just to be sure, I want to ask if this is an acceptable understanding of what bias is?

Bias is an inclination of temperament or outlook to present or hold a partial perspective at the expense of (possibly equally valid) alternatives in reference to objects, people, or groups. Anything biased generally is one-sided and therefore lacks a neutral point of view. Bias can come in many forms and is often considered to be synonymous with prejudice or bigotry.

Bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1 prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair:

Definition of bias in Oxford Dictionaries (US English) (US)
 
If you think every news story is innately biased, then I'm really starting to wonder what 'bias' even means, and the somewhat pointless disregard for the word's meaning, if it's just explicitly applies to every thing.
It's not the existence of bias being questioned but its qualities; namely the view toward which the weight of favour leans on a given issue.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Why is it seem like the vast majority of "news" that secular media seems to cover in regards to the Church (Christianity) seems to revolve are sex scandals and queers?

It isn't just the church, though. Linsey Lohan just can't seem to catch a break, but that's because in spite of all other things she might be doing with her life, her alcohol addiction, rehab stints, and arrest record are considered "newsworthy." People talk about weird things. How often she's been arrested is considered odd. The Church claiming to be a beacon of morality caught with its pants down is considered "odd", and people want to know more or talk more about it.

Is that really the extent of the Church's relevancy in the 21st Century?

I don't think so. Christianity is still posted up on social media platforms by believers. I see prayer requests, Bible verses, and interpretations by many Christians on FB, Twitter, and on blog sites. I think Christianity is being seen and heard, like most things, online.

Do people realize that the Church is on the forefront when it comes to caring for sick and the homeless?

My last check on CharityWatch.org shows that Christian-based charities are not as ubiquitous nor are as highly rated as secular programs (rated on effectiveness of the help and the charity's financial and human resource ethics). When it comes to homelessness, only Habitat for Humanity ranks highly. But it's outdone quite a bit by other programs that have specific targets for whom to help....homeless veterans, homeless children, etc.

When it comes for to the sick, St. Jude's ranks, but not nearly as highly as the many various organizations that target specifically whom they are helping (again)....breast cancer research and development, hospice care, American Cancer Association, etc.

Where most Christian organizations meet eye to eye with secular organizations, it is in international relief and development.

I wouldn't say Christian charities are at the forefront, however. At least not nowadays. It doesn't minimize the help and relief they offer, but by no means have they cornered the Charity Market.

Why does the media seem to shy away from covering stories in which people's lives improved because of what the Church provided? Which leads to another question, is the term "secular" in America often a code word for a "religion", one who's tenets are built on rationalism (ie. worship of the self), and sexual "freedom"? In other words, is "secularism" in America another name for a movement which opposes everything that Jesus stands for and is indeed anti-Christian? Is the media actively trying to promote its "values"?

There are a lot of leaps in logic here. Let's substitute "Church" for other groups just for fun to make a point: Why does the media shy away from how the arts have improved people's lives? Why do they shy away from stories of how Paganism has improved people's lives? Why does the media shy away from how atheism has improved people's lives?

Hopefully the point won't be lost there. :)

"Rationalism" from my understanding has no worship involved in it. It is a perspective, indeed, and one that seeks answers that may be seen as superstitions. It's not like superstition is a bad thing, but that it is a perspective.

Sexual "freedom"? What do you mean by that. We've had these debates before, but I don't want to assume what you're implying, and especially with the quotation marks around the word "freedom."

Finally, it is unfortunate that you see secularism as being against everything that Jesus stood for. At the very least, are not both committed to truth? I find many parallels between the two, but truth is a good start as a comparison.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Why is it seem like the vast majority of "news" that secular media seems to cover in regards to the Church (Christianity) seems to revolve are sex scandals and queers? Is that really the extent of the Church's relevancy in the 21st Century?
Victimizing children, attempting to cover it up, and opposing the rights, equality and freedom of women and homosexuals? Yeah, that is pretty much the only relevancy the church holds.

Do people realize that the Church is on the forefront when it comes to caring for sick and the homeless? Support your claim. Can you site some sources? Why does the media seem to shy away from covering stories in which people's lives improved because of what the Church provided?
I don't doubt that the church has done some good, but it's vastly overshadowed by a long, sordid history of injustice and misdeeds.

Which leads to another question, is the term "secular" in America often a code word for a "religion", one who's tenets are built on rationalism (ie. worship of the self), and sexual "freedom"? In other words, is "secularism" in America another name for a movement which opposes everything that Jesus stands for and is indeed anti-Christian? Is the media actively trying to promote its "values"?

Nope. Secular simply means religious neutrality. To not endorse or promote a particular faith doesn't mean to oppose that faith.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Before, and just to be sure, I want to ask if this is an acceptable understanding of what bias is?

Bias is an inclination of temperament or outlook to present or hold a partial perspective at the expense of (possibly equally valid) alternatives in reference to objects, people, or groups. Anything biased generally is one-sided and therefore lacks a neutral point of view.
The bold portion is too restrictive. I'd call bias where there is a mere tendency towards one side as opposed to others.
Otherwise, it would give a pass to more subtle & crafty forms of prevarication & propaganda.
Bias can come in many forms and is often considered to be synonymous with prejudice or bigotry.
Bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1 prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair:
Definition of bias in Oxford Dictionaries (US English) (US)
Bias is a difficult thing to measure because we don't notice it when we share a bias. And many actually believe
there is no bias if their opinions are popular & shared. Thus, bias often wears a cloak of "We have the truth here!".
An interesting take on this issue.....
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-democrats-view-the-soviet-socialist-trenches
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Why is it seem like the vast majority of "news" that secular media seems to cover in regards to the Church (Christianity) seems to revolve are sex scandals and queers?
Does it?

I typed "church" into Google News. Here are the headlines that came up, in order. The ones in blue deal with sex scandals or LGBT issues:

Church bans ex-Packer for backing Collins
Attack on New Mexico church choir injures 4
Over 6 years, priest transforms NY Orthodox church with ancient art
The Westboro Baptist Church will protest at two playoff games
Mormon church-owned Utah NBC affiliate pulls gory 'Hannibal' TV show
Death. It's inevitable. So let's talk about it.
Church, two homes and barn receive heritage awards
Church that is cursed by a plague of flies: Vicar considers knocking down building after three year infestation
Summerside church presents night of inspirational music on Saturday
Two out of nine... and both of the stories have to do with Jason Collins coming out.

Is 22% "the vast majority"?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
The bold portion is too restrictive. I'd call bias where there is a mere tendency towards one side as opposed to others.
Otherwise, it would give a pass to more subtle & crafty forms of prevarication & propaganda.

I'm a little confused how "Anything biased generally is one-sided and therefore lacks a neutral point of view" is too restrictive but "a mere tendency towards one side as opposed to others" isn't. I'm not even sure what the difference between those two sentiments are. What is the contention?

Bias is a difficult thing to measure because we don't notice it when we share a bias. And many actually believe
there is no bias if their opinions are popular & shared. Thus, bias often wears a cloak of "We have the truth here!".
An interesting take on this issue.....
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-democrats-view-the-soviet-socialist-trenches

I know what a popularity bias is, as well as many others, but I still don't see how all articles are biased in any sense. Should I provide some non-biased articles or something?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm a little confused how "Anything biased generally is one-sided and therefore lacks a neutral point of view" is too restrictive but "a mere tendency towards one side as opposed to others" isn't. I'm not even sure what the difference between those two sentiments are. What is the contention?
I contend that it's wise to consider bias in all articles.
That way we get snookered less often.

I know what a popularity bias is, as well as many others, but I still don't see how all articles are biased in any sense. Should I provide some non-biased articles or something?
I might not be smart or aware enuf to always detect the bias.
(I'm a lowly human, after all.....more lowlier than most.)
 
I know what a popularity bias is, as well as many others, but I still don't see how all articles are biased in any sense. Should I provide some non-biased articles or something?
There is a contextual element to consider; bias might manifest itself directly through the content of the article, indeed, but it might also do so through the relative levels of exposure given to a number of issues.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I contend that it's wise to consider bias in all articles.
That way we get snookered less often.

I'd agree it would be wise to consider bias in all articles, not assume that all articles are biased. That's no more consideration than the alternative.

I might not be smart or aware enuf to always detect the bias.
(I'm a lowly human, after all.....more lowlier than most.)

Neither am I. But that doesn't mean bias is always present.
 
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