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Is the pope a reincarnation of the emperor?
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BruceDLimber
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Clearly not given that reincarnation doesn't exist. (Quote upon request.)
Bruce
Bruce
A joke? Sarcasm is seldom understood textually. Otherwise, I don't understand...
otokage007
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Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I think it's extremely unfair to paint the Sith in such a bad light.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
For most of history, the two groups were involved in very similar roles, indeed.
I wouldn't however describe the situation as a reincarnation, even a symbolic one, because that would suggest that the causes are related mostly to those groups themselves, and I don't think it is true. For the most part it is a simple case of fulfilling a sociological demand of the cultures of the times.
I wouldn't however describe the situation as a reincarnation, even a symbolic one, because that would suggest that the causes are related mostly to those groups themselves, and I don't think it is true. For the most part it is a simple case of fulfilling a sociological demand of the cultures of the times.
You funny suns of guns!
But, seriously, what do you think?
I was being serious, so I am not sure what type of answer you are expecting? Perhaps you can give us your opinon to your question... it would be interesting to hear.
lunakilo
Well-Known Member
Do you mean reincarnation literally?
As the link Quagmire provided explains the Pontifix Maximus was a high priest of Rome. Durring the Imperial era the emperor was also Pontifix Maximus.
When christianity became the state religion of Rome the Pope was the high priest in Rome. And after the west-roman empire collapsed the title was used by Christian bishop of Rome. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pontifices_maximi notice the sentence "From some indeterminate later date to present, the title "Pontifex Maximus" is applied to the Popes." at the bottom of the list )
So historically speaking I suppose you could say that the pope is a reincarnation of the roman emperor.
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angellous_evangellous
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I suppose that this comparison could be made if we completely ignore everything about Roman history and church structure. All of it.
And then make up something completely different in a crude, shallow, ignorant image of what we want it to look like in order for them to be "the same."
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angellous_evangellous
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I take that back...
You don't have to take away all of Roman and church history -- you have to go full circle backwards into the negative. Then make up whatever you like and call it pie.
otokage007
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Then making the comparison is plain stupid. Or thoughtless. Take your pick.
If the basis of the comparison is "interest in power" then almost anyone in history who ever had an interest in power can be likened to Rome --- neverminding all of the historical incongruencies between the two. Now, if you want to throw aside all of history and equate things that have no inherent similarities, that's fine.
It's like comparing anyone that you don't like to the Nazis, which is the same kind of logical fallacy that you are employing. note: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
You're embarrassing yourself.
By the way, I'm offended at the historical illiteracy and thoughtless comparison. I'm not Catholic (as if that's your business).
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BruceDLimber
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It wasn't a joke.
The scriptures I endeavor to follow are quite explicit in denying the existence of reincarnation!
The censors here won't allow me to post the relevant quote even though it's eminently on-topic for this thread and had a full citation, but I'm on Facebook under this same name; and if you contact me there, I'll be more than happy to send it to you in a private message.
(One caveat: there may be some delay as I'll be out of town for a few days.)
Bruce
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
That was a religious text, however - not a scholarly, peer-reviewed source.
Therefore, It does not really allow you to say "Reincarnation doesn't exist", but it does "We do not believe in reincarnation" in the same way I cannot use scripture or a quote from Hinduism and say "Reincarnation exists".