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Is the President of the USA a Surrogate Monarch?
- Thread starter Halcyon
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Dunemeister
Well-Known Member
Yessir.
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
I wouldn't think so because his/her power is limited by and equal balance of power shared by Congress and the Supreme Court. A monarch usually inherits their position and there are no term limits. So I would say no.
blackout
Violet.
more or less, and for all intents and purposes... yes.
Until the "little people" en mass,
(one individual at a time)
decide they no longer want/"need" the elite
to "rule" (design/measure/run) their world for them...
they will (continue to do so).
It is after all the modus operandi of the elite to run and rule the world en mass.
The elite are masters of disguise and manipulation...
and the little people live afraid
and with aparant lack of (personal) resource(s).
Most people are happy enough with the "horse and pony" shows,
as they scramble for enough "points" (money)
to hold their little stash "secure".
But it's all so completely futile.
Looking to the elite for security,
is like looking to the pirates for safety.
Looking to the elite for meaning,
is like turning your ear to "babble" for sense.
And so it goes.
Dress it in whichever vestments you will,
Call it by any other name.......
a rogue is still a rogue.
Until the "little people" en mass,
(one individual at a time)
decide they no longer want/"need" the elite
to "rule" (design/measure/run) their world for them...
they will (continue to do so).
It is after all the modus operandi of the elite to run and rule the world en mass.
The elite are masters of disguise and manipulation...
and the little people live afraid
and with aparant lack of (personal) resource(s).
Most people are happy enough with the "horse and pony" shows,
as they scramble for enough "points" (money)
to hold their little stash "secure".
But it's all so completely futile.
Looking to the elite for security,
is like looking to the pirates for safety.
Looking to the elite for meaning,
is like turning your ear to "babble" for sense.
And so it goes.
Dress it in whichever vestments you will,
Call it by any other name.......
a rogue is still a rogue.
PureX
Veteran Member
I believe that there are a lot of people who innately gravitate toward authority pyramids. They are comforted in knowing that there's a strong chain of authority and in knowing where they are in that chain. These folks tend to automatically capitulate to those "above them" in the authority chain, and they become very uncomfortable when confronted by the idea that authority is an illusion, and everyone is ultimately an autonomous being. I think these kinds of people automatically treat those that they feel are above them in the authority chain as their "betters" not because of the superior quality of these "betters" but because they inhabit a higher place on the chain, as with some medieval monarchy.
I think these folks respond to politicians as though they were monarchs because they find comfort in the idea of a strong authority pyramid.
I think these folks respond to politicians as though they were monarchs because they find comfort in the idea of a strong authority pyramid.
zippythepinhead
Your Tax Dollars At Work
Nope. Some people want to treat Presidents they like as a monarch. But alas nyet.
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
Rhetoric speaks to people and it's far easier to try and call Bush a monarch, or say Bush claims to be one than it is to actually read and grasp basic U.S. civics.
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
Well the reason I ask is because, since I'm not a citizen of the USA, the only information I get on how Americans think is usually through second or third party means. I posted this thread after watching "The Sum of All Fears", in that film, and in others like Independence Day, the TV show 24 etc, the President is treated much like a Monarch would be over here.
He's safety is the priority above all else, in the Sum of All Fears he is rushed from a stadium with a bomb in it, leaving the other 50,000 people to explode without any apparent attempt to save them - later on the President character exclaims "they tried to kill me!" referring back to the stadium incident, seemingly ignoring the thousands of ordinary people killed.
Obviously these are just films and TV shows, but since it's such a common theme I figured there must be something about it that appeals to the American people. We don't really have those type of films involving our Prime Minister over here, but we do have stories, films and commemorated historical events (Guy Fawkes Night) where the Monarch fulfills the same role as the President does in American films and stories.
So, I'm not really asking about the politics as much as I am about the way he's seen by the general public.
Booko
Deviled Hen
Well, I do think Americans see the Prez as somehow harder to replace than the PM is seen in the UK.
And you gotta admit, it sure does take us a looong time to choose one.
There may be something to the notion that y'all have the Queen to look to as a single individual, while Parliament goes about it's business. But the only single individual we have is the Prez to attach whatever we want to, whether good or ill.
Somehow I don't think that's what the Founding Dads had in mind, but it does seem to be somehow related to humans' way of focusing on things, political or otherwise.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Well, it has always seemed to me that our culture thinks the patriotic (it's a big fear to appear unpatriotic) thing to do is laud the president as some larger-than-life, virtuous, heroic and infallible figure (as long as they're rightwing, since anything left of center is seen as "communist" and "unamerican"). I've even heard some conservatives state that it's treasonous to even question or criticize the president (again, unless of course they're liberal).
SERVANTOFSET
Member
How do you compare our Queen with george Bush?
Booko
Deviled Hen
Ah, not much comparison there, no.
Booko
Deviled Hen
Nice in theory, but there are some people who question whether the Constitution hasn't been seriously damaged in practice, and while many such consider the last 7 years the worst example, the usually look back through administrations from both parties.
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
Yeah, that's the impression I get, but like I say I only have American media to base that on, hence the thread.
I'm not really trying to, and certainly not to any President in particular, just trying to get a sense of the role he plays in society from actual people, rather than just films and TV.SERVANTOFSET said:
So far I'd have to say I'm still unsure.
