Is the Quran only for Muslims?

[Muslim Atheism]

If God is the Lord of the worlds (1.2) and the Prophet is described as the messenger for the worlds (21.107) and the Quran is introduced as a reminder to the worlds, (68.52) then:

1. What is the relevance of the Quranic message to the world?

2. How can the world, Muslims and non-Muslims, alike, benefit from the universal message of a universal and compassionate God, during this life and afterlife?

3. Can non-Muslims practice divinely revealed values without acknowledging their original source and without adhering to the total divine call?​

 

[outhouse]

1. What is the relevance of the Quranic message to the world?

One must become a fanatic following fundamentalist views of a skewed reality

2. How can the world, Muslims and non-Muslims, alike, benefit from the universal message of a universal and compassionate God, during this life and afterlife?

Not by reading a book that factually claims all other religions are false, and teachings corrupted. After Plagiarizing the very books they claim are false.

3. Can non-Muslims practice divinely revealed values without acknowledging their original source and without adhering to the total divine call?

NO, it doesn't make sense.

Prove it was divinely inspired, most of us look at the muslin prophet as a desperate pediaphile, who copied other religions, and spread his message by sword.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Not gonna read the original post but I will answer no. I am gonna read the post now and see if my presumptions are correct

 

[Sha'irullah]

If God is the Lord of the worlds (1.2) and the Prophet is described as the messenger for the worlds (21.107) and the Quran is introduced as a reminder to the worlds, (68.52) then:

1. What is the relevance of the Quranic message to the world?

2. How can the world, Muslims and non-Muslims, alike, benefit from the universal message of a universal and compassionate God, during this life and afterlife?

3. Can non-Muslims practice divinely revealed values without acknowledging their original source and without adhering to the total divine call?​

Yep as I thought. Very poor reasoning considering circular logic is the basis of it.

You would have to prove the first 3 assertions you made before you continue

 

[outhouse]

3. Can non-Muslims practice divinely revealed values [/INDENT]

That is the problem with the muslim religion.

It makes a bad claim right from the gate.

It can be proven that it factually was not divine inspiration, it would not have to plagiarize others mythology and claim it is real if it truly was divine.


Queen of Sheba is one example. There was no rich king Solomon as written, so the book is factually incorrect.

That is one of many examples of its factual errors.

 

[Smart_Guy]

If God is the Lord of the worlds (1.2) and the Prophet is described as the messenger for the worlds (21.107) and the Quran is introduced as a reminder to the worlds, (68.52) then:

1. What is the relevance of the Quranic message to the world?

2. How can the world, Muslims and non-Muslims, alike, benefit from the universal message of a universal and compassionate God, during this life and afterlife?

3. Can non-Muslims practice divinely revealed values without acknowledging their original source and without adhering to the total divine call?​

Are those questions intended to seek answers or to start a debate?

If you are seeking answers, I suggest asking in the Islam DIR as it is always best to ask the concerned related practitioners to avoid personal opinions. They know better about their own religion.

If it is to start a debate, then I apologize for this and please carry on

I personally believe that the Quran can be used by all people not just Muslims. I don't see a problem in that. I mean, even Islam borrowed many teachings and even laws from other religions too.

 

[YmirGF]

1. What is the relevance of the Quranic message to the world?

Not to believe the ravings of a man who likely had a psychotic episode while sitting in a cave?

2. How can the world, Muslims and non-Muslims, alike, benefit from the universal message of a universal and compassionate God, during this life and afterlife?

Well, I'd expect a truly universal message to be more cogent, but that is just me. The rambling, disjointed prose style is a chore simply to read. You'd think a real god would have understood that. Then, of course, there is the often torturous reasoning of Muslim writers, that is so dense that it is difficult to draw any significant meaning. I'd say just let it die the death it so richly deserves and call it a day.

3. Can non-Muslims practice divinely revealed values without acknowledging their original source and without adhering to the total divine call?

That would be kind of silly, don't you think? Why would anyone do that?

Bob: Well, I don't believe any of this stuff, but I'm gonna live my life according to how they prescribe things in this funky book.
Betty: Are you off your meds again, Bob?

 

[YmirGF]

I personally believe that the Quran can be used by all people not just Muslims. I don't see a problem in that. I mean, even Islam borrowed many teachings and even laws from other religions too.

I suppose people could, but seriously, why on earth would they bother? You have to remember that non-Muslims don't care what the Qur'an says about ... well, anything.

 

[Draupadi]

:yes:. Because following the Quran makes one a Muslim.

 

[Smart_Guy]

non-Muslims don't care what the Qur'an says about ... well, anything.

Well, the Quran does teach to be kind to the parents, to give space for others to sit, to give justice, support interracial marriage, not to betray the trust of others, support science... and the list goes on.

Those who say they don't care what the Quran say, follow many of its teachings without knowing it

 

[Muslim Atheism]

I am gonna read the post now and see if my presumptions are correct

This is in the 'Scriptural Debates' section and imo about the issue of the 'statement propositions' or the 'conflict' in a scripture.

. . .

This is the presumption relevant to 'Scriptural Debates' . . .

If God is the Lord of the worlds (1.2) and the Prophet is described as the messenger for the worlds (21.107) and the Quran is introduced as a reminder to the worlds, (68.52)

This is the issue. . .

then:

1. What is the relevance of the Quranic message to the world?

2. How can the world, Muslims and non-Muslims, alike, benefit from the universal message of a universal and compassionate God, during this life and afterlife?

3. Can non-Muslims practice divinely revealed values without acknowledging their original source and without adhering to the total divine call?​

Accordingly. . imo there are only two possibilities.

1. The Quran is invalid, or
2. The interpretation and understanding are invalid.​

 

[YmirGF]

Well, the Quran does teach to be kind to the parents, to give space for others to sit, to give justice, support interracial marriage, not to betray the trust of others, support science... and the list goes on.

Those who say they don't care what the Quran say, follow many of its teachings without knowing it

The thing is though that the vast majority of people don't need to be told to do those things. It's pretty common sense so having it in a religious text isn't terribly impressive.

 

[Muslim Atheism]

I personally believe that the Quran can be used by all people not just Muslims. I don't see a problem in that.

What benefit do they get if they follow the Quran ?

 

[Muslim Atheism]

That is the problem with the muslim religion.

It makes a bad claim right from the gate.

It can be proven that it factually was not divine inspiration, it would not have to plagiarize others mythology and claim it is real if it truly was divine.


Queen of Sheba is one example. There was no rich king Solomon as written, so the book is factually incorrect.

That is one of many examples of its factual errors.

So which historical facts is correct ?

 

[Muslim Atheism]

That would be kind of silly, don't you think? Why would anyone do that?

Bob: Well, I don't believe any of this stuff, but I'm gonna live my life according to how they prescribe things in this funky book.
Betty: Are you off your meds again, Bob?

I agree with you , it is inconsistent with the presumption.

 

[Muslim Atheism]

:yes:. Because following the Quran makes one a Muslim.

That's what people understand. . and thus this premise is invalid.

If God is the Lord of the worlds (1.2) and the Prophet is described as the messenger for the worlds (21.107) and the Quran is introduced as a reminder to the worlds, (68.52)

or. . the interpretation and understanding is invalid. Either one. . .

 

[Smart_Guy]

The thing is though that the vast majority of people don't need to be told to do those things. It's pretty common sense so having it in a religious text isn't terribly impressive.

Then it is common sense to follow (some of) the teachings of the Quran. It is there in the Quran, regardless to whither it is common sense or not.

And, if it a common sense, why do people not follow it? When it comes in a religion, it supports that common sense and encourage people to do it even those who neglect it, then contributes in spreading it.

 

[outhouse]

1. The Quran is invalid, or
2. The interpretation and understanding are invalid

This is not an OR situation.

These are both are correct.

The book is invalid historically speaking, based on stolen mythology.

And interpretation has caused to much muslim on muslim violence.

 

[Smart_Guy]

What benefit do they get if they follow the Quran ?

There are benefits like having a good way of social life. The Quran does not just introduce a doctrine, it teaches and encourages people to do good things, and make them aware of common sense that depending on the IQ of some people, they might not notice. Social life values are introduced in the Quran too.

 

[ametist]

So which historical facts is correct ?

lol. i loved that. as if he can go back to prove that things he reads in books has really happened.