Is the Religious Right in America gunning for you?

[InChrist]

Well, we do it differently. Some people call women who have an abortion murders. To me that is just plain callous and cold-hearted. It cuts both ways.

Actually, I am not directly calling the women murderers. I think those who push abortion for profit, knowing full well what is involved are murderers. Some women may fall into the category of murderers, but I understand that a lot of women make the decision to abort out of fear, desperation, ignorance, or under pressure and coercion from others.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

No one can control who gets or spreads covid. You are grasping.

But every single one of us can have HUGE impacts on that very thing -- just by caring a little, and taking a little care.

 

[Sheldon]

No, because it spreads through vaxxed or unvaccinated.

Does it spread at the same rate?

Do take your time...

 

[Wildswanderer]

It's a percentage thing, not an absolute. "Everyone" knows the vaccines don't work? Really? Everyone? I think you need to check in with planet Earth some time.

If they don't, they haven't been paying attention. And overall the restrictions have been dropped because those in authority know it too. Of course, I think they knew a long time ago.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And I'll tell you something -- on the whole, I think it's a lot more useful than the rampant ownership (and misuse) of firearms!

It's just not. It's the worst of mans nature being allowed, and it's always abuse of the people involved.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Abortion services is not slaughtering babies.

That's exactly what it is. Get real instead of hiding behind euphemisms.

 

[Wildswanderer]

There's only one body, the insentient blastocyst is a part of it.

You know there's been people born alive that were botched abortions? People alive walking around today that were supposed to be killed by abortion. People with real, actual bodies that were supposed to be destroyed.

 

[Wildswanderer]

No one....is being forced to have the

Not true. Millions are forced to have it or leave their livelyhoods.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's just not. It's the worst of mans nature being allowed, and it's always abuse of the people involved.

And you DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I do. I was a sex worker -- yes, I had sex with men for money. I'm not going to explain all that here, I've done it dozens of times on the forum. I was 17, untrained, thrown on the street with no means of support, nobody to turn to (no relatives, no friends, nothing). I wanted to eat -- it helps us stay alive, you know?

But I also became a VP, in technology, for a major global company. I did that through my own hard work -- but at first....at first, yes, whether you like it or not, I did what I had to do.

While your parents were probably paying your way.....

 

[Subduction Zone]

Adam and Eve are not comparable. They were directly created by God who, as you stated according to the account, Who breathed life into them. They were not conceived and did not go through gestation in the womb as babies have done since.

Your commentary on the Numbers passage is full of speculation and your own assumptions. A husband could have been suspicious that their spouse was involved in adultery for a variety of reasons. It does not necessarily have to be that the woman is pregnant. For one thing, the test would also demonstrate if a woman was NOT pregnant, therefore innocent of the charge of adultery by her suspicious, slandering husband.

Please, never use the word "assumptions" in a debate unless you can back it up. And I did not say that he could not be suspicious. I said the one sure way that he could know. This was a very serious test and was not to be done on mere suspicion. Plus you ignored my warning. I told you that you need to consider it in the context of what happens during the test. You did not. Your "assumptions" claim has been refuted.

And we are not concerned with the times that the woman was not pregnant. That may have been the case sometimes. Now it appears that you did not even read it

Verse 22:

May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

Bolding mine.

verse 27:

If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

That is twice that it says that she will miscarry if she has cheated. A pregnant wife that should not be pregnant would be a pretty clear sign of cheating even if no one saw.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I disagree with them to.
But I don’t see them with the evil motives so often ascribed to them.

You've also repeatedly stated you have little Bible learning. The Christians making these assaults on civil rights are dominionists. They want to "make America righteous again," and they believe it is the god given right, duty and responsibility to vote and legislate from the pulpit. They are, at best, a threat and danger to democracy and personal freedoms, liberties and rights and they do fully believe Jehovah is the only thing that bring peace and prosperity to America. Their values and morals and Bible are fundamentally incompatible with American values and Constitutional law, and it's true when someone says they believe their religion is the only religion and none of the others count.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If they don't, they haven't been paying attention. And overall the restrictions have been dropped because those in authority know it too. Of course, I think they knew a long time ago.

Another reason it's so dangerous:
The scientific illiteracy is literally killing people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Adam and Eve are not comparable.

Interesting point about them:
If they had no knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil they could not have known disobedience was wrong, they could have not have known what a lie is, they could not have understood "do not do this for there will be consequences." They simply would have been like a toddler who really does not know any better.

 

[Revoltingest]

In this case, they were the pus oozing out of the deeply infected wound that caused it.

Oozing Antifa pus is the tip of the iceberg boil

...the term "Antifa" in its broadest sense means "Anti-Fascism". .

And MAGA means "Make America Great Again".
Labels can be inaccurate.

 

[Revoltingest]

You've also repeatedly stated you have little Bible learning.

That's cuz some people forget how ignorant I am.
So remind'm I must.

The Christians making these assaults on civil rights are dominionists. They want to "make America righteous again," and they believe it is the god given right, duty and responsibility to vote and legislate from the pulpit. They are, at best, a threat and danger to democracy and personal freedoms, liberties and rights and they do fully believe Jehovah is the only thing that bring peace and prosperity to America. Their values and morals and Bible are fundamentally incompatible with American values and Constitutional law, and it's true when someone says they believe their religion is the only religion and none of the others count.

I don't disagree.
Except with the OP's theme that they're "gunning" for us.
That smacks of paranoia. I know that Democrats are
"gunning" for my gun rights, my income (to tax), & other
rights....but it's not personal....it's them advocating for
their values...same as the fundies do for theirs.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't disagree.
Except with the OP's theme that they're "gunning" for us.
That smacks of paranoia. I know that Democrats are
"gunning" for my gun rights, my income (to tax), & other
rights....but it's not personal....it's them advocating for
their values...same as the fundies do for theirs.

As you're sane and nonviolent I'm not aware of many Dems coming for your guns. But the Religious Right is gunning to hack and slash at the civil rights and liberties of many (including atheists), merge the church and state, and force us all the live in accordance to their religious dogma. They don't want gays to get married, they want trans people to transition, they want Christian prayer and nothing else everywhere they can get it, and they want their beliefs to govern us. That's who they are, and they do see it as personal because they do view everyone (even other Christians) who aren't like them as fundamentally flawed in character and inherently Hellbound. We add in the abuse to LGBT youth, attaching church attendance and belief in Jesus as a condition of receiving charity, publicly shaming and condemning people for harmless and victimless behavior they perceive as sinful (this has been a thorn and detriment to some businesses), and the many and numerous lies they use to get their way in legislation (like attaching pedophilia to homosexuality and sexual predators to transgenders and promoting the dangerous "conversion therapy," along with the numerous errors and mistakes the promote as facts about abortion) we can say they really aren't good people. And I can say with confidence as a former one of them, they do not respect others. Maybe they're bar isn't high enough to be "evil," but their behavior is intentional and deliberate and the ends are malicious and destructive.

 

[Revoltingest]

As you're sane and nonviolent I'm not aware of many Dems coming for your guns.

Those who exercise a right are more
aware of that right being under attack.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I can say with confidence as a former one of them, they do not respect others. Maybe they're bar isn't high enough to be "evil," but their behavior is intentional and deliberate and the ends are malicious and destructive.

"Malicious" is an incorrect accusation because
their goals are positive in their minds. This is
just as I wouldn't call AOC "malicious"...she
actually believes that she serves good.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"Malicious" is an incorrect accusation because
their goals are positive in their minds. This is
just as I wouldn't call AOC "malicious"...she
actually believes that she serves good.

Even Hitler had positive ends in mind doing what he did. So did Pol Pot and Mao. I'd be willing to say every genocidal tyrant had positive goals in mind.

 

[Revoltingest]

Even Hitler had positive ends in mind doing what he did. So did Pol Pot and Mao. I'd be willing to say every genocidal tyrant had positive goals in mind.

So I'd call'm "evil", not "malicious".
To be evil doesn't require such intent.