Is the universe conscious of itself...

[outhouse]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_perception_(paranormal)

Plant perception or biocommunication is the paranormal idea that plants are sentient, that they respond to humans in a manner that amounts to ESP, and that they experience pain and fear. The idea was not accepted, as plants lack a nervous system.[1][2] This idea is distinct from measured plant perception and chemical communication.


Unless you can refute this, please take the unsubstantiated rhetoric elsewhere

 

[RRex]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_perception_(paranormal)

Plant perception or biocommunication is the paranormal idea that plants are sentient, that they respond to humans in a manner that amounts to ESP, and that they experience pain and fear. The idea was not accepted, as plants lack a nervous system.[1][2] This idea is distinct from measured plant perception and chemical communication.


Unless you can refute this, please take the unsubstantiated rhetoric elsewhere

Wikipedia is not a valid source.

When I see it in the Encyclopedia Britannica I will consider it.

 

[outhouse]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_perception_(paranormal)

Plant perception or biocommunication is the paranormal idea that plants are sentient, that they respond to humans in a manner that amounts to ESP, and that they experience pain and fear. The idea was not accepted, as plants lack a nervous system.[1][2] This idea is distinct from measured plant perception and chemical communication.


Unless you can refute this, please take the unsubstantiated rhetoric elsewhere

 

[RRex]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_perception_(paranormal)

Plant perception or biocommunication is the paranormal idea that plants are sentient, that they respond to humans in a manner that amounts to ESP, and that they experience pain and fear. The idea was not accepted, as plants lack a nervous system.[1][2] This idea is distinct from measured plant perception and chemical communication.

Unless you can refute this, please take the unsubstantiated rhetoric elsewhere

Wikipedia is not a valid source.

When I see it in the Encyclopedia Britannica I will consider it.

See, I can do that too.

Wikipedia is edited by thousands of people including 12-year-olds. No one in their right mind relies on it.

 

[outhouse]

Wikipedia is not a valid source.

When I see it in the Encyclopedia Britannica I will consider it.

See, I can do that too.

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You don't get to dictate anything here. Both are credible resources and Encyclopedia Britannica probably states the same exact thing, if it EVEN is up to date enough to do so

Wikipedia is edited by thousands of people including 12-year-olds. No one in their right mind relies on it.

Factually false.


Encyclopedia Britannica checks out and in a study was found to be just a hair more accurate then wiki, the numbers were very very close.


To bad your desperate attempt DOES NOT REFUTE any aspect of the wiki article posted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_perception_(paranormal)

Plant perception or biocommunication is the paranormal idea that plants are sentient, that they respond to humans in a manner that amounts to ESP, and that they experience pain and fear. The idea was not accepted, as plants lack a nervous system.[1][2] This idea is distinct from measured plant perception and chemical communication.


Unless you can refute this, please take the unsubstantiated rhetoric elsewhere

 

[RRex]

I used to be like you. I don't miss it.

 

[outhouse]

I used to be like you. I don't miss it.

Credible?

 

[Etritonakin]

I'd imagine sensing the entire universe would be easier than allocating the memory and processing the data necessary to design, create and manage it.

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Yes, but lets put this into context.

Its like putting a nail in a lemon to produce current, VERSES the processing power an overclocked CPU on dry ice.

There is no comparison here, as the plant is not conscious in any way

If the difference is sheer magnitude rather than some fundamental/intrinsic difference, then we're forced to draw the line arbitrarily of what is and isn't conscious, if we're to draw any line at all. Maybe we're not conscious to some alien species who's neural-cognitive capacity dwarfs ours by many orders of magnitude, perhaps more so than we dwarf plants. Maybe they know about us and they're debating on their forums whether humans are conscious or not.

 

[outhouse]

, then we're forced to draw the line arbitrarily of what is and isn't conscious

Of course we do. And in its current state of self awareness we see different levels of consciousness in different life forms.

"arbitrarily" may not be the correct word here.

Maybe we're not conscious to some alien species who's neural-cognitive capacity dwarfs ours by many orders of magnitude, perhaps more so than we dwarf plants

But now were into pseudoscience and imagination.

If upon that time another type of consciousness comes into play, we can call it human consciousness verses "something else"

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Of course we do. And in its current state of self awareness we see different levels of consciousness in different life forms.

So then you do indeed recognize different levels of consciousness. What life form to you, then, would have the lowest level of consciousness that you would still consider conscious? And why do you draw the line there?

"arbitrarily" may not be the correct word here.

Why not? Drawing a random line at some level of consciousness while recognizing that it's a broad spectrum, makes any line arbitrary.

But now were into pseudoscience and imagination.

That wasn't.... pseudoscience =/

Pseudoscience is when a practice or framework of the natural world is regarded as scientific but doesn't adhere to the scientific method. I was speaking hypothetically, i.e. presenting a hypothetical scenario to illustrate a point. That's not pseudoscience.

 

[EtuMalku]

Something I've been thinking about lately
Are we just a product of the universe becoming conscious of itself?

Sorry to be joining the discussion so late . . .
Which 'Universe' are you inquiring about? I recognize two distinct universes . . . the Objective Universe and our Subjective Universe

 

[outhouse]

the Objective Universe and our Subjective Universe

There is only one.

The one we both occupy at this exact time.

 

[EtuMalku]

There is only one.

The one we both occupy at this exact time.

I do not accept that . . .

The Universe: totality of existence, both known and unknown to us

This is divided into:
1. Objective Universe (OU): Things are as they "are." Time, space, matter, energy, etc.
2. Subjective Universe (SU): Our unique personal perspective and experience of the OU. What we interpret and perceive it as.

In the 'exclusive' objective universe, a house is simply a geometrically‑coordinated, gravitationally‑braced and weatherproof arrangement of certain kinds of molecules. As various individuals design, decorate, occupy, or view the house, however, it is imbued with characteristics assigned to it by them. It now exists in their several subjective universes, and it may continue to exist there even after the 'objective' house has been demolished.

 

[outhouse]

This is divided into:

Sorry but this means a whole exist you want to personally divide.

This whole is our known universe. It is the only one known at this time.

 

[EtuMalku]

Sorry but this means a whole exist you want to personally divide.

This whole is our known universe. It is the only one known at this time.

Dunno about you, but I am fully aware of both the OU & my SU

 

[Jiddanand]

Universe is a product of Almighy!

 

[RRex]

Universe is a product of Almighy!

More like the Absentee Landlord.

 

[EtuMalku]

Universe is a product of Almighy!

Who is this "al-Mighy" ? LOL!

 

[Jiddanand]

Who is this "al-Mighy" ? LOL!

Obviously