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Is the WWE violence or a performing arts? What do people think God would think about this?
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Since the Benoit incident, the WWE has not allowed chairs (at least not to the head). He had chronic traumatic encephalopathy, and though little is know about the causes of that condition, many blamed the amount of chair shots to the head Benoit took to the head, especially the "unprotected" ones (getting hit straight in the head rather than having your hand and forearm take the impact of the blow), and consequently the WWE no long allows wrestlers to hit each other in the head.
It's also banned blood in matches.
I've read of their health woes.
It's a tough living.
....and ladders & chairs.
I like the play on words...."TLC" = table, ladders & chairs match.
Mick Foley nearly died in that famous Hell In A Cell match, where the table provided little cushion after being thrown off a 16' high cage.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I like the TLC thing too, except they haven't been nearly as good since Edge & Christian, The Hardy Boyz, and the Dudley Boyz.
I'm still shocked he wasn't more severely hurt than he was. And not just from being thrown off the top, but especially when he was choke slammed through the top of the cell, which wasn't planned on, and with the chair falling and landing on top of him. And then there was whatever that knocked his tooth up into his sinuses and out of his nose.
All around, I'm surprised he's not having more problems than he is, but at 50 years old the decades of extreme abuse are probably about to hit him like an anvil. That he's made this far without being wheelchair bound surprises me (That Hell in a Cell match and the power bomb from Vader that he took on concrete are probably going to put him in one eventually). And I wonder how scared up his back is from all the thumb tacks.
As much as I know about wrestling, I wish it was still good. But, then again, to me good was the days of Jim Duggan, Hulk Hogan, The British Bulldogs, Jake Roberts, Ted Debiase, Rowdy Piper, Randy Savage, and Bret Hart, and then it went to an awesome era of Extreme Championship Wrestling, the Attitude Era, and the N.W.O. And then it just died down after ECW and WCW folded, slowed down, and it just hasn't been as exciting. I also really miss watching Lita and Trish Stratus wrestle. And Triple H really needs to grow his hair back out, because after 20 years of it being long he looks goofy with it short like it is.
NulliuSINverba
Active Member
Never in a million years would it have occurred to me to mention professional wrestling and religion in the same breath ... but it's really a fascinating comparison. It certainly appears that neither pursuit is based on reality and each essentially boils down to elaborate theater. And the adherents of both don't actually seem to care about the truth of the matter as long as they're free to debate the minutiae and take sides.
To its credit, the violence in the WWE is entirely feigned, while the violence meted out in the name of religion tends to actually cause real damage. And fans of the WWE don't tend to foist their delusions off on others via legislation. Perhaps the WWE gives us a glimpse of what religion will eventually morph into: Harmless, juvenile fun for anyone who deigns to take it seriously?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
After Jake Roberts sobered up, he preached a bit on WWF. Actually, had he not been preaching, the craze of Austin 3:16 would not have happened.
I wouldn't say it's entirely feigned. Accidents are prone to happening, sometimes it is deliberate, and the wrestlers get hurt, sometimes severely. But even if you do everything right, you're still going to be a bit sore after a match. Back the late 90s, they had a boxing tournament, and it was actual boxing, and people were getting hurt (largely because only one of them had any experience with boxing, and he dominated the tournament until he got the championship match and fought a professional boxer) to the point they didn't do it again.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Appearances aren't everything. It appears as though the earth is flat and that the sun moves across the sky, but we know that isn't so, when we bother to investigate what's really going on. I rather suspect you haven't bothered to really investigate what's going on in religion.
See above. Your statement is untenable when illuminated by any real investigation.
dust1n
Zindīq
OMG, not again!
Maybe he will get a notification in his e-mail and come back.
Nada
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Why did the angel with whom Jacob wrestled cause Jacob to limp?
"During the night that Jacob’s household crossed the Jabbok on the way S to meet Esau, Jacob had the most unusual experience of wrestling with an angel, and because of his perseverance his name was changed to Israel, meaning “Contender (Perseverer) With God; or, God Contends.” (Ge 32:22-28) Thereafter both names often appear in Hebrew poetic parallelisms. (Ps 14:7; 22:23; 78:5, 21, 71; 105:10, 23) In this struggle the angel touched the socket of Jacob’s thigh joint, and Jacob limped for the rest of his life—perhaps to teach him humility; a constant reminder not to be overly exalted because of his God-given prosperity or for having grappled with an angel. In commemoration of these momentous events Jacob called the place Peniel or Penuel.—Ge 32:25, 30-32."
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002279
Ps.Wrestling today is a violent art.You see them full of blood and they also take steroids to get bigger.Kids mimic these people and you can see them diving off roofs hurting each other.
"During the night that Jacob’s household crossed the Jabbok on the way S to meet Esau, Jacob had the most unusual experience of wrestling with an angel, and because of his perseverance his name was changed to Israel, meaning “Contender (Perseverer) With God; or, God Contends.” (Ge 32:22-28) Thereafter both names often appear in Hebrew poetic parallelisms. (Ps 14:7; 22:23; 78:5, 21, 71; 105:10, 23) In this struggle the angel touched the socket of Jacob’s thigh joint, and Jacob limped for the rest of his life—perhaps to teach him humility; a constant reminder not to be overly exalted because of his God-given prosperity or for having grappled with an angel. In commemoration of these momentous events Jacob called the place Peniel or Penuel.—Ge 32:25, 30-32."
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002279
Ps.Wrestling today is a violent art.You see them full of blood and they also take steroids to get bigger.Kids mimic these people and you can see them diving off roofs hurting each other.
Gosh, you're right! I underestimated RF's intelligence
Augustus
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Genesis 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27 But the man resfuseth and Jacob knew he was was wrestling with no man but God himself.
28 And God unleashed a suplex of almighty wrath, and Jacob was nearly pinned but he esapeth at the count of 2
29 Verily he arose slowly in a manner greatly exaggerated but God smote him with a divine elbow from the turnbuckle on high
30 There should it hath endeth, but unbeknown to God, Satan had striketh thine referee with the belt of champions to maketh thee unconscious!
31 Jacob thus did flee before God's victory could be won, and he did retaineth the belt of champions on a nefarious technicality.
Nada
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It was not God Jacob wrestled with.It was an angel in the form of a man.
In verse 29 the angel(man) is proclaiming what Jacob has done.
No man has ever seen God and lived.People need to understand that God is a spirit form.Angels are the messengers of God.They can transform into human flesh the way the fallen angels did when they came to earth to get the earth women.Same thing.When ever you see face to face when speaking to God,it means speaking as you do with a friend.Conversing.It does not mean literally looking at God's face.
God the Almighty's own words.
Exodus 33:20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Not seen it in years. It seems to have faded into oblivion in the Uk through lack of any interest.
That is not to say it could not be found on some internet channel somewhere.
That is not to say it could not be found on some internet channel somewhere.
WWE is an ongoing play. It's all fiction and, as I understand, choreographed to a large degree. As many Gods love plays, I could easily see those same Gods loving WWE. I could also see certain Gods hating it.
Personally, I like the idea of it, since it can be a portrayal of the kind of thing we wish we could see in more "real" competitive fighting (like boxing or MMA), but I don't regularly watch it because, as I hear tell, the writers really don't know how to tell consistently good and satisfying stories spanning so many characters.
That doesn't happen with enough regularity to warrant condemnation of the show as being inherently dangerous as a causal force. Kids who are wise and mimic these people are also wise enough to do them on netted trampolines.
The steroids are a problem, however. I'm not sure to what extent steroids are still used by Pro-Wrestlers, but it certainly shouldn't be allowed at all, for this very reason.
Not sure what the problem with blood is, though.
Personally, I like the idea of it, since it can be a portrayal of the kind of thing we wish we could see in more "real" competitive fighting (like boxing or MMA), but I don't regularly watch it because, as I hear tell, the writers really don't know how to tell consistently good and satisfying stories spanning so many characters.
That doesn't happen with enough regularity to warrant condemnation of the show as being inherently dangerous as a causal force. Kids who are wise and mimic these people are also wise enough to do them on netted trampolines.
The steroids are a problem, however. I'm not sure to what extent steroids are still used by Pro-Wrestlers, but it certainly shouldn't be allowed at all, for this very reason.
Not sure what the problem with blood is, though.
