Is there a Class Struggle on Religious Forums?

[Revoltingest]

My experience is the same honestly. Even though Capitalism has been in deep trouble for many years (since the financial crisis in 2008 for example), people are not receptive to Marxist ideas at all and are quite hostile to it. This includes the working class and most of the membership of far-left parties in Britain or America these days is from young people (primarily students) and maybe a much older group left over from the 1960's and 70's. People of working age don't typically engage with the philosophical, political and social question Marxism raises, partly because they don't have the time, but also because most of them don't care that much either.

Capitalism will always be in deep trouble. The fundamental
problem is that people have too much economic liberty.
Marxism will always be in deep trouble too. It's problem
is that people have no economic liberty other than the
black market. One picks one's poison. Mine is capitalism.

 

[Laika]

Capitalism will always be in deep trouble. The fundamental
problem is that people have too much economic liberty.
Marxism will always be in deep trouble too. It's problem
is that people have no economic liberty other than the
black market. One picks one's poison. Mine is capitalism.

Or as one internet quote puts it: "Capitalism is built on exploitation of man by man. Socialism is exactly the reverse."

 

[Secret Chief]

My experience is the same honestly. Even though Capitalism has been in deep trouble for many years (since the financial crisis in 2008 for example), people are not receptive to Marxist ideas at all and are quite hostile to it. This includes the working class and most of the membership of far-left parties in Britain or America these days is from young people (primarily students) and maybe a much older group left over from the 1960's and 70's. People of working age don't typically engage with the philosophical, political and social question Marxism raises, partly because they don't have the time, but also because most of them don't care that much either.

They've been offered the lie and subserviently bought it.

 

[Left Coast]

My experience is the same honestly. Even though Capitalism has been in deep trouble for many years (since the financial crisis in 2008 for example), people are not receptive to Marxist ideas at all and are quite hostile to it. This includes the working class and most of the membership of far-left parties in Britain or America these days is from young people (primarily students) and maybe a much older group left over from the 1960's and 70's. People of working age don't typically engage with the philosophical, political and social question Marxism raises, partly because they don't have the time, but also because most of them don't care that much either.

But also because purist Marxism or communism, like purist libertarianism, is an unrealistic utopian ideal and does not really work as intended on any large scale. The world's most successful, prosperous societies are capitalistic but have a healthy dose of socialistic trappings. Our form of capitalism in the US is absurdly off the spectrum into cronyism and even the thought of socialism sends people running for the hills. Let alone recognizing that we, for example, should have some universal healthcare system (the horror!).

 

[metis]

I would respond to the OP if I found anyone here who actually has class.

 

[Goddess Kit]

Capitalism will always be in deep trouble. The fundamental
problem is that people have too much economic liberty.
Marxism will always be in deep trouble too. It's problem
is that people have no economic liberty other than the
black market. One picks one's poison. Mine is capitalism.

What system does the Star Trek Federation use? We need that.

 

[MNoBody]

The struggle sure seems real at times but given the way things work on this earth, what else could be expected.
the larger pattern trickles down into the micro and everyone gets a bite of that sand-wich.

 

[Revoltingest]

What system does the Star Trek Federation use? We need that.

What system does the Star Trek Federation use? We need that.

It all depends upon which series you watch.
Moreover, different planets in the Federation
use different systems.

 

[David1967]

"commie space dog"

Well, your my favorite "commie space dog"..... I thought you burned up reentering the atmosphere.

 

[Stevicus]

It all depends upon which series you watch.
Moreover, different planets in the Federation
use different systems.

The existence of replicators would greatly change the structure of economics as we understand it today.

I recall some rather heated discussions on some of the Star Trek message boards about this topic. I think the consensus of opinion was that, while most necessities could be replicated and provided for free, it didn't seem likely they could have a system where there wasn't at least some unit of exchange of some sort. Many also wondered why anyone would take a job waiting tables or tending bar if they weren't being paid for it.

All I would need is a replicator and my own personal holosuite, and I'd be set.

 

[Revoltingest]

All I would need is a replicator and my own personal holosuite, and I'd be set.

The writers would never allow such a life of ease.

 

[Stevicus]

The writers would never allow such a life of ease.

I would probably end up assimilated by the Borg. I don't think they use money either.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would probably end up assimilated by the Borg. I don't think they use money either.

Borg....the commies of the Star Trek universe.
Even being a Ferengi would be better.

 

[Stevicus]

Borg....the commies of the Star Trek universe.
Even being a Ferengi would be better.

Possibly. But even then, there is some humor in that the writers made the most capitalistic alien race look like trolls and largely ended up as comic relief.

But not to worry, since we know that the Yangs will ultimately prevail over the Comms.

 

[Revoltingest]

Possibly. But even then, there is some humor in that the writers made the most capitalistic alien race look like trolls and largely ended up as comic relief.

But not to worry, since we know that the Yangs will ultimately prevail over the Comms.

I always heard "Cones", but it turns out they were "Kohms".

 

[Stevicus]

I always heard "Cones", but it turns out they were "Kohms".

Just as long as they obey the Holy Word.