Is there a complete list of countries where Islam spread by the sword?

[Godobeyer]

"By the sword" does not mean literally putting a sword to each person's throat to force them to convert. It means spreading the religion by military conquest and the subsequent imposition of rulership and laws held in place by military/political power that favour converting to the religion.

If this worked all time ,the Christianity suppose the only religion in the world , because the Christians occupated most of the world , tried to preach their religion to other people .

there was no threaten against Indonisian and Malazian by military , and many other nations .

the fact is ;how about Now, do you deny that Western countries want to spread the "democraty" and "culture" by military/political and "media" over Muslims ?

 

[Kirran]

If this worked all time ,the Christianity suppose the only religion in the world , because the Christians occupated most of the world , tried to preach their religion to other people .

there was no threaten against Indonisian and Malazian by military , and many other nations .

the fact is ;how about Now, do you deny that Western countries want to spread the "democraty" and "culture" by military/political and "media" over Muslims ?

No one said it worked all the time.

Also, the situation in Indonesia and Malaysia is far more nuanced than you seem keen to portray.

 

[Godobeyer]

No one said it worked all the time.

Also, the situation in Indonesia and Malaysia is far more nuanced than you seem keen to portray.

what about Indonesia and Malaysia , what their history said ?

 

[Kirran]

what about Indonesia and Malaysia , what their history said ?

What do you mean?

 

[Godobeyer]

What do you mean?

in deep past how Indonisians and Malaysians and some others in that region accept Islam ?

 

[Kirran]

in deep past how Indonisians and Malaysians and some others in that region accept Islam ?

Varies widely. Through willing conversion, as well as for economic and social advantage, which pressured to varying degrees over time and place. With the establishment of Islamic states in the region in particular, social pressures certainly strengthened, as they did in other regions where such states were established.

EDIT: Also, let's not forget the widely-held-Islamic prohibition on a Muslim entering a relationship of which the children will not be Muslim.

 

[Godobeyer]

EDIT: Also, let's not forget the widely-held-Islamic prohibition on a Muslim entering a relationship of which the children will not be Muslim.

is this happened in Indonisia and Malaysia ...etc while they converting to Islam ?

 

[Kirran]

is this happened in Indonisia and Malaysia ...etc while they converting to Islam ?

I refer to the rules prevalent within Islam that a Muslim man must raise his children Muslim, and that a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man, for fear the resulting children would be raised non-Muslim. These rules act to increase the proportion of a populace which is Muslim.

 

[Godobeyer]

I refer to the rules prevalent within Islam that a Muslim man must raise his children Muslim, and that a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man, for fear the resulting children would be raised non-Muslim. These rules act to increase the proportion of a populace which is Muslim.

do you think that the main reason how Indonisian and Malaysian accept Islam ?

not just Islam had this rule .

 

[Kirran]

do you think that the main reason how Indonisian and Malaysian accept Islam ?

not just Islam had this rule .

Certainly not. I merely referenced it as one factor among many.

Really? Which other religions have it? I'd be interested to find out.

 

[Godobeyer]

Certainly not. I merely referenced it as one factor among many.

Really? Which other religions have it? I'd be interested to find out.

I know Judiasm , prevent for Jewish woman to mary non-Jewish man

 

[Kirran]

I know Judiasm , prevent for Jewish woman to mary non-Jewish man

It does? This certainly isn't something I've encountered. Any Jewish members care to comment on this?

In any case, this certainly can and does act as a contributor to the growing prevalence of adherence to Islam within patrilineal multireligious societies.

 

[Augustus]

in deep past how Indonisians and Malaysians and some others in that region accept Islam ?

Islam arrived in South East Asia through trade. Eventually some leaders adopted it and encouraged its spread. These Sultanates then fought against other kingdoms such as the Majapahits and eventually they conquered most of their former territories. The populations in the conquered territories eventually became Muslim.

Bali, for example, is still Hindu because many of the defeated Hindus went there from Java enabling the Hindu kingdom there to survive.

This is not a unique feature of Islam, all other cultures (including the Majapahit) spread in the same way. It is perfectly normal.

It's just not the case that people in South East Asia simply converted en masse because of peaceful proselytisation.

It's a bit like the Christian missionaries in sub-Saharan Africa during the Era of European colonialism.

 

[Kirran]

Islam arrived in South East Asia through trade. Eventually some leaders adopted it and encouraged its spread. These Sultanates then fought against other kingdoms such as the Majapahits and eventually they conquered most of their former territories. The populations in the conquered territories eventually became Muslim.

Bali, for example, is still Hindu because many of the defeated Hindus went there from Java enabling the Hindu kingdom there to survive.

This is not a unique feature of Islam, all other cultures (including the Majapahit) spread in the same way. It is perfectly normal.

It's just not the case that people in South East Asia simply converted en masse because of peaceful proselytisation.

It's a bit like the Christian missionaries in sub-Saharan Africa during the Era of European colonialism.

Or like the spread of Christianity in pre-medieval Europe, or the promotion of Shaivism or Vaishnavism under certain medieval Indian rulers.

 

[Augustus]

Or like the spread of Christianity in pre-medieval Europe, or the promotion of Shaivism or Vaishnavism under certain medieval Indian rulers.

Exactly. Everything really, including languages, cultures, art, etc.

 

[Kirran]

Exactly. Everything really, including languages, cultures, art, etc.

Some more than others, varying within and among traditions. Not a lot of socially-pressured conversion to Sufism!

To add further to the reasons for the initial conversions to Islam of those SE Asian leaders in modern-day Malaysia and Indonesia who kick-started the process - it may well have been that forming alliances with Islamic powers required, or preferred, conversion to Islam, while the rulers' converting to Islam would also open the state up to much more trade with Muslim polities. What's more, political marriages would be under the same constraints as regular marriages as regards general Islamic perceptions of restrictions.

 

[Augustus]

Not a lot of socially-pressured conversion to Sufism!

Only as regards some orders of Sufism. Others have the same faults as most other belief systems.

 

[Flankerl]

I know Judiasm , prevent for Jewish woman to mary non-Jewish man

So?

 

[Godobeyer]

So?

what do you think ?

 

[Flankerl]

what do you think ?

So you don't have an opinion about it. Okay.