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Is there any other religions than Christianity require believing in Jesus to be a follower?

Tumah

Veteran Member
What some people believe us to be and what we believe ourselves to be is an entirely different thing. Here is the basic premise behind Mormonism:

1. Jesus Christ established His Church as a part of His mortal ministry.
2. After His death, men changed that Church -- both the doctrines that were taught and the way in which the Church was structured and functioned.
3. That Church has been restored to the earth again, complete with all of the original doctrines and authority, through direct intervention by Jesus Christ.

Yes, we do have books in addition to (but not in place of) the Bible, and this is one of the main reasons some exclude us from the Christian family. I find this interesting since there is nowhere in the Bible where the claim is made that it (the Bible) is a complete record of God's interactions with humanity and that He decided at any point to stop talking to mankind.
I'll leave you guys to debate it among yourselves, but to my untrained ear the third concept sounds similar to what Muslims say. Maybe that's where my confusion lay.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Don't they have their own book? I can never tell which group is considered an accepted Christian group and which not.
Every adherent adds something to his or her own religion - or they should, anyway.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Mormons are Christians
I dated a Jewish man, its not a requirement to not believe in Jesus, its a requirement to renounce Jesus as God. There is a Judeo Christian church which isnt christian they believe Jesus messiah not God.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I'll leave you guys to debate it among yourselves, but to my untrained ear the third concept sounds similar to what Muslims say. Maybe that's where my confusion lay.
Except that the Muslims have declared that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God and is not the means by which we may have our sins remitted. That would absolutely make them a non-Christian group (and that, of course, is how they see themselves). They do not accept the New Testament at all, while Mormons accept both the Old and the New Testaments.

And unless I'm mistaken (due to the fact that I also have an untrained ear), a Mega-Super-Ultra-Orthodox Jew would find Conservative Judaism not quite acceptable.

At the end of the day, though, it really doesn't matter whether anybody else believes us to be Christians. God's not going to be asking for anybody else's input when we stand before Him to be judged.
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Judaism requires that you disbelieve in Jesus.
Baha'i, Mormons, Ahmadi those are probably going to be the ones you're looking for.

But they both have to believe in Moses, right?

Maybe that's a more comprehensive question to ask about Moses instead?
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Except that the Muslims have declared that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God and is not the means by which we may have our sins remitted. That would absolutely make them a non-Christian group (and that, of course, is how they see themselves). They do not accept the New Testament at all, while Mormons accept both the Old and the New Testaments.

And unless I'm mistaken (due to the fact that I also have an untrained ear), a Mega-Super-Ultra-Orthodox Jew would find Conservative Judaism not quite acceptable.

At the end of the day, though, it really doesn't matter whether anybody else believes us to be Christians. God's not going to be asking for anybody else's input when we stand before Him to be judged.
That wasn't the point that I was making. I was just pointing out that the creation of a new or "renewed" version with new or "renewed" or added books using a similiar justification to yours is the basis for Islam. I'm not saying that you're right or wrong about it. I'm just saying that just like I compartmentalize Islam as a separate religion and they have those features, I thought I was also supposed to do the same for Mormonism.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
That wasn't the point that I was making. I was just pointing out that the creation of a new or "renewed" version with new or "renewed" or added books using a similiar justification to yours is the basis for Islam. I'm not saying that you're right or wrong about it. I'm just saying that just like I compartmentalize Islam as a separate religion and they have those features, I thought I was also supposed to do the same for Mormonism.
I'm sort of understanding you, but I'm still a little bit confused. What would you say that Islam claims to be a restoration or re-establishment of?
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
I'm sort of understanding you, but I'm still a little bit confused. What would you say that Islam claims to be a restoration or re-establishment of?
The "original religion" is I believe what they claim to be a restoration of. They have a concept of what they believe was the "original religion" and they believe that Jews and later Christians messed that religion up. So All-h sent Muhammad to re-teach them what that was.
 

Baladas

An Págánach
Don't they have their own book? I can never tell which group is considered an accepted Christian group and which not.
It depends who you ask. It's confusing to just about everyone who is on the outside, and many who are/have been on the inside.
Christianity is riddled with sectarianism.
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
(I'm not going to speak for the followers of other religions, here. Just strictly for my own.)

To answer your question from a different perspective,@Smart_Guy, Bahá’ís do believe in Jesus Christ. It is a given. It is a fundamental requirement for being a Bahá’í.

The Guardian (Shoghi Effendi) had made this unreservedly clear in The Promised Day Is Come saying:

“As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended. The Founder of the Christian Faith is designated by Bahá’u’lláh as the “Spirit of God,” is proclaimed as the One Who “appeared out of the breath of the Holy Ghost,” and is even extolled as the “Essence of the Spirit....” ”

He goes on later to state:

“Indeed, the essential prerequisites of admittance into the Bahá’í fold of Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, and the followers of other ancient faiths, as well as of agnostics and even atheists, is the wholehearted and unqualified acceptance by them all of the divine origin of both Islám and Christianity, of the Prophetic functions of both Muḥammad and Jesus Christ, of the legitimacy of the institution of the Imamate, and of the primacy of St. Peter, the Prince of the Apostles. Such are the central, the solid, the incontrovertible principles that constitute the bedrock of Bahá’í belief, which the Faith of Bahá’u’lláh is proud to acknowledge, which its teachers proclaim, which its apologists defend, which its literature disseminates, which its summer schools expound, and which the rank and file of its followers attest by both word and deed.”


As recorded in Gleanings, Bahá’u’lláh says this of Jesus Christ:

“Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.

We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified… We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.”
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Is there any other religions than Christianity require believing in Jesus to be a follower?

Going back to the OP, others have answered that literal question. To me a more interesting question is what other religions and spiritual figures honor Jesus. The exemplar of that for me is Ramakrishna

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One of those pictures was that of the child Jesus in his mother’s lap
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The Master used to say that he sat one day in that parlour and was looking intently at that picture and thinking of the extraordinary life of Jesus, when he felt that the picture came to life, and effulgent rays of light, coming out from the bodies of the Mother and the Child, entered into his heart and changed radically all the ideas of his mind!

On finding that all the inborn Hindu impressions disappeared into a secluded corner of his mind and that different ones arose in it, he tried in various ways to control himself and prayed earnestly to the divine Mother (Kali), “What strange changes art Thou bringing about in me, Mother?” But nothing availed.

Rising with a great force, the waves of those impressions completely submerged the Hindu ideas in his mind. His love and devotion to the Devas (Gods) and Devis (Goddesses) vanished, and in their stead, a great faith in and reverence for Jesus and his religion occupied his mind...
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...the Master saw, ...that a marvellous god-man of very fair complexion was coming towards him, looking steadfastly at him.

Very soon the person approached him and from the bottom of the Master’s pure heart came out with a ringing sound, the words, “Jesus! Jesus the Christ, the great Yogi, the loving Son of God, one with the Father, who gave his heart’s blood and put up with endless torture in order to deliver men from sorrow and misery!”

Jesus, the god-man, then embraced the Master and disappeared into his body and the Master entered into ecstasy (Bhav Samadhi), lost normal consciousness and remained identified for some time with the Omnipresent Brahman (God, the Ocean of Consciousness) with attributes.
 

arthra

Baha'i
Hello.

As per the title, and by follower I mean a member of that religion. For example, Islam requires believing in Jesus to be a Muslim.
How about Judaism or maybe Bahaii?

Thanks for your question "Smart Guy".... Baha'is accept Jesus as a Manifestation of God... You cannot be a Baha'i and deny Jesus. I will add some citations from the Baha'i Writings regarding His Holiness the Christ...

"Jesus Christ gave His life upon the cross for the unity of mankind. Those who believed in Him likewise sacrificed life, honor, possessions, family, everything, that this human world might be released from the hell of discord, enmity and strife. His foundation was the oneness of humanity."

~ Abdu'l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 7

"...regarding the birth of Jesus-Christ. In the light of what Bahá'u'lláh and 'Abdu'l-Bahá have stated concerning this subject it is evident that Jesus came into this world through the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit, and that consequently His birth was quite miraculous. This is an established fact, and the friends need not feel at all surprised, as the belief in the possibility of miracles has never been rejected in the Teachings."

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~ The Universal House of Justice, 1995 Dec 02
 
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PeteC-UK

Active Member
Hi Folks.

So - as most will realise by now, personally I have no "love" for organised religions....Having said that however, the more I hear from those of the Bahai faith, the more I appreciate their truths :)

The teachers obviously appreciate and understand my mate Christ in a more - metaphysical aspect - as the Word - SPIRITUAL CAUSE of creation itself - and this understanding is somethingn distinctly lacking in the "christian" traditiion itself which has become wholly confused about His ORIGINAL truth...

The Founder of the Christian Faith is designated by Bahá’u’lláh as the “Spirit of God,” is proclaimed as the One Who “appeared out of the breath of the Holy Ghost,” and is even extolled as the “Essence of the Spirit....” ”

Compare that understanding to a direct teaching given by Christ...from Thomas :

"Blessed are the solitary and elect, for you will find the kingdom. For you are from it, and to it you will return."

He said, "If they say to you, 'Where did you come from?', say to them, 'We came from the light, the place where the light came into being on its own accord and established itself and became manifest through their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?', say, 'We are its children, we are the elect of the living father.' If they ask you, 'What is the sign of your father in you?', say to them, 'It is movement and repose.'"

One and the same TRUTH stated in different ways that is all...Christ they say is the "spirit of god" appearing from the "breath of the Holy Ghost" - its very essential ESSENCE - and look Christ says exactly the same - He is a Divine Light He said - primal energy of ALL creation that is SELF BEGOTTEN - Self conceiving - Self Created..

Where the Bahai faith fails though - is where ALL these "christian religions" fail - in that they cannot get past the FACT that OUR FATHER - is NOT the old god of the Jews...Our Father is NOT the god of Abraham - nor is it the god of Islam..Although ALL those religions share the SAME god - it is NOT THE SOURCE OF CREATION ITSELF...It - amazes me - puzzles me - how some people - some "faiths" can come to know Christ in what seems to be a deep and significant way - and yet His most essential truth evades them still...Look CLOSELY for there can be NO mistake - He told us clearly that the old god of ALL those religions was a FALSE "god" that had been deceiving us and still does even to this day.. Here He speaks His truth to Judas plain to see :

“Come, that I may teach you about secrets no person has ever seen. For there exists a great and boundless realm, whose extent no generation of angels has seen,
in which there is a great invisible Spirit, which no eye of an angel has ever seen, no thought of the heart has ever comprehended, and it was never called by any name.

As He said - anybody with two good ears should stop and listen - His teaching is a SECRET He says and look closely - not even ANGELS know His truth He says so clearly - NEVER BEFORE ENCOUNTERED great invisible SPIRIT that NO SOUL HERE is even aware of !!! This LEGITIMATE SPIRIT that He speaks of here - IS NOT - CAN NOT BE - the "god of the jews" - as look -they ALREADY know that "god" fully and intimately - yet here He says EXPLICILTLY that His Father is COMPLETELY UNKNOWN - and look for it is CRUCIAL - the Hebrews know THEIR god and it HAS given a name for them to use in its worship - Yhvh (yahweh or jehovh as we now have it) and indeed they have been worshipping THAT god for thousands of years already when Christ comes...But again look CLOSELY and see Christ say that HIS Father has NEVER BEEN ENCOUNTERED BEFORE and therefore HAS NO NAME AT ALL !!!! Elsewhere he says dont even attempt TO give a "name"to my Father as He / It is a SPIRIT and is fully beyond such mortal concepts at all ;)

This teaching He delivers is NOT OF THE JEWISH GOD - not at all - he made that very plain and clear and they as said MURDERED HIM to silence this new LEGITIMATE truth - and yet ALL these "religions" that bare His name fail spectacularly to grasp this fundamental truth.. he even warned us before hand all this would be done "in His name" and yet we STILL allowed it to happen...Man, human are just so DUMB sometimes - sheep - very easy to lead - VERY easy to lead ASTRAY - just as He warned - shun ALL these religions - they are NOT of my Father, for those with the ears to hear...
 
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