Is there any reason to reject the science of evolution, other than religious beliefs?

[IndigoChild5559]

Was or is the BBT ever taught as fact?, Maybe I am not old enough but I can't remember ever hearing that theories were facts.

Science always leaves the door open for conclusions to be tweaked as new evidence is gathered. But that's not the point. The point is that all the evidence we have right now points to the Big Bang.

 

[Audie]

I'm soooo interested in hearing specifics about these mysterious series of unlikelihoods, how you determined what these events are, what their individual probabilities are and how every actual physicist in the world apparently missed them all.



Same as above.



Except that it is. But you might not notice if you insist on keeping your head firmly lodged in the ground, ostrich style.





"interspeciation"? what's that? My best guess would be that you are about the argue a strawman.



HA! Nailed it. There's the strawman.
Yes, finches remain fiches. Every X remains X. Anything other would falsify evolution. Actual evolution - not the strawman in your head.

Humans remain apes, they remain mammals, they remain chordates, etc.
Speciation is a vertical process resulting in subspecies. Species never outgrow their ancestry.



Yeah. It's like you have fossil A and then descendent fossil C and there's that "missing link" in between.
And then you find fossil B and uh-oh... now you have 2 missing links: one between A and B and another between B and C.

Also: you are confusing evolutionary history with the process of evolution itself, off course.
It's like if you don't have any pictures of yourself from age 10 to 20. That doesn't mean you are not aging.



Not if... and get this.... there is no such a creator and only the natural process...


Evolution provides independently verifiable explanation which is more then sufficient to account for the diversity of life we see on this planet.
There's no need to arbitrarily inject any "mystery" in there.

Was or is the BBT ever taught as fact?, Maybe I am not old enough but I can't remember ever hearing that theories were facts.

Teaching theory as fact is brainless.

 

[setarcos]

Of anything.

@ppp figured it out.

But never mind.

Your posts are too long winded for one reading let
alone two.

Lol...perhaps my posts can get somewhat long winded. That doesn't mean that they are wrong.
I'd rather wade through a long winded speech to get at a kernel of truth than zip through a shallow breeze wafting some empty and vapid opinion.
I've noticed a few things here.
1) You use insults to shield yourself from decent discourse as if your afraid of something. Why and what is it your afraid of?
2) You must have been interested in my posts enough to discuss them with @ppp when you should have been discussing them with me if you didn't understand something I wrote or disagreed with it.
3) You must be insecure enough in your own ability to discuss what I've written with me in a civilized manner instead opting to bring someone else's opinion into the conversation apparently as a security blanket for your own.
As the proverbial momma used to say..."If you don't have nothing nice to say then just ride it out and don't say anything."
Come on people, we know when we are being deliberately insulting to each other. Why? What's the point of deliberately making an effort to try and insult another person? Disagreeing with is one thing. Getting frustrated with is one thing. But patience trumps insults every time if we are to have a prolonged and lasting semblance of peaceful coexistence.
Alas, some people go for the insults every time their imagination gets the better of them and they feel threatened. Pretty sad really.

As for examples, according to what you quoted from me...
Astrophile first asked me a question of personal opinion. I answered that question with reason.
I answered Astrophiles second question with examples from "timeanddate.com". And logical statements.
Astrophile third assumption I answered with logical examples.
So, when I asked you to narrow your request down specifically it was so that I could get onto the same page as you since it was not readily obvious that I didn't give examples in the post you quoted of mine. Perhaps you have a different understanding of what "example" means?
In any case you still need to communicate more than insult and vaporous requests in order to be productively communicative.
I don't mind patiently walking through these things with you but it makes it hard when your deliberately and unnecessarily offensive.

 

[Audie]

Lol...perhaps my posts can get somewhat long winded. That doesn't mean that they are wrong.
I'd rather wade through a long winded speech to get at a kernel of truth than zip through a shallow breeze wafting some empty and vapid opinion.
I've noticed a few things here.
1) You use insults to shield yourself from decent discourse as if your afraid of something. Why and what is it your afraid of?
2) You must have been interested in my posts enough to discuss them with @ppp when you should have been discussing them with me if you didn't understand something I wrote or disagreed with it.
3) You must be insecure enough in your own ability to discuss what I've written with me in a civilized manner instead opting to bring someone else's opinion into the conversation apparently as a security blanket for your own.
As the proverbial momma used to say..."If you don't have nothing nice to say then just ride it out and don't say anything."
Come on people, we know when we are being deliberately insulting to each other. Why? What's the point of deliberately making an effort to try and insult another person? Disagreeing with is one thing. Getting frustrated with is one thing. But patience trumps insults every time if we are to have a prolonged and lasting semblance of peaceful coexistence.
Alas, some people go for the insults every time their imagination gets the better of them and they feel threatened. Pretty sad really.

As for examples, according to what you quoted from me...
Astrophile first asked me a question of personal opinion. I answered that question with reason.
I answered Astrophiles second question with examples from "timeanddate.com". And logical statements.
Astrophile third assumption I answered with logical examples.
So, when I asked you to narrow your request down specifically it was so that I could get onto the same page as you since it was not readily obvious that I didn't give examples in the post you quoted of mine. Perhaps you have a different understanding of what "example" means?
In any case you still need to communicate more than insult and vaporous requests in order to be productively communicative.
I don't mind patiently walking through these things with you but it makes it hard when your deliberately and unnecessarily offensive.

Another treatise. Whatever it says.
ig city.

 

[Pogo]

Another treatise. Whatever it says.
ig city.

Not much except he thinks you should pay more attention to his already debunked posts because that would be polite.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Not much except he thinks you should pay more attention to his already debunked posts because that would be polite.

When someone comes in here and keeps repeating the same things over and over, it is not reasonable for them to expect people to keep reading their stuff.

 

[Pogo]

When someone comes in here and keeps repeating the same things over and over, it is not reasonable for them to expect people to keep reading their stuff.

Yes, I have been reading the same ID arguments from ignorance and incredulity for 30 years, they don't get any better.

 

[Audie]

Not much except he thinks you should pay more attention to his already debunked posts because that would be polite.

Disorganized writing indicates disorganized thinking.
And a lack of respect for self and any possible readers.
More often than not there’s no actual content to be, thro‘ gauzy veil ,
detected nor yet inferred from within suchlike voluminous outpourings
of turgid verbiage.

If at a glance its obvious that content of a post replied to
is ignored in favour of scurrilous personal remarks,well,
that’s a sign.

For those who can read sign.

 

[setarcos]

Another treatise. Whatever it says.
ig city.

Well, you seem to have at least upgraded my post from being merely long winded to being a treatise.
Still too lazy or afraid to engage with what I've said though it seems. Especially since your the one that asked. But Que Sera Sera.
Oh no...you've banished me to "ig" city! Am I supposed to be horrified, beg for your forgiveness, or what?
Why did you feel compelled to state that, instead of just ignoring my posts like a civil adult would do?
You feel the need to attempt some kind of adolescent slap in the face before you go?
Its that kind of attitude that keeps the world such a happy place to live in. Congrats on achieving something to be proud of.

 

[Watchmen]

Well, you seem to have at least upgraded my post from being merely long winded to being a treatise.
Still too lazy or afraid to engage with what I've said though it seems. Especially since your the one that asked. But Que Sera Sera.
Oh no...you've banished me to "ig" city! Am I supposed to be horrified, beg for your forgiveness, or what?
Why did you feel compelled to state that, instead of just ignoring my posts like a civil adult would do?
You feel the need to attempt some kind of adolescent slap in the face before you go?
Its that kind of attitude that keeps the world such a happy place to live in. Congrats on achieving something to be proud of.

But you just spout words. There's nothing of substance to intake, and what shallow dribble there is has already been debunked over and over.

 

[Audie]

But you just spout words. There's nothing of substance to intake, and what shallow dribble there is has already been debunked over and over.

I should have gone straight to the point and said thst in the first place.

 

[setarcos]

But you just spout words. There's nothing of substance to intake, and what shallow dribble there is has already been debunked over and over.

We all just spout words here. I beg to differ that I have given nothing of substance to consider. What have I said that has been debunked over and over?

 

[setarcos]

Not much except he thinks you should pay more attention to his already debunked posts because that would be polite.

I post your reply or you don't. You've already paid attention to my posts if you've replied. What the heck have I posted that has been debunked? No one has offered an example of debunking what I've posted.

 

[setarcos]

Disorganized writing indicates disorganized thinking.

Disorganized writing? Care to prove your point with an example?

 

[setarcos]

Yes, I have been reading the same ID arguments from ignorance and incredulity for 30 years, they don't get any better.

What arguments from ignorance? Its like you guys are stuck in a group self congratulatory scripted rut.
Give me an example of what I've argued from ignorance.

 

[setarcos]

When someone comes in here and keeps repeating the same things over and over, it is not reasonable for them to expect people to keep reading their stuff.

Agreed. But what has been repeated over and over?

 

[setarcos]

Not much except he thinks you should pay more attention to his already debunked posts because that would be polite.

Not much? I gave a point by point answer to Audie's accusation of having given no examples. I don't know how you debate things but usually its done with points and counterpoints. Followed by defense of those points by negation of those counterpoints. None of that has been done.
Is that what you call a successful conclusion to a discussion?

 

[Watchmen]

We all just spout words here. I beg to differ that I have given nothing of substance to consider. What have I said that has been debunked over and over?

See, e.g., Posts 340 - 350 for examples of where you were debunked.

 

[setarcos]

See, e.g., Posts 340 - 350 for examples of where you were debunked.

Appreciate the pointers.
Both of those posts are my responses.
Are you saying I debunked myself?
Can you just point me at a reply that debunked what I said and perhaps a brief synopsis of how it debunked it as a point from which to start a discussion?

 

[setarcos]

Ah, never mind...you meant 340 through 350. I'll look at them. Thanks.