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Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
you have already admitted.....that you don't know.....
why should I renounce all of my good reasoning and faith and give in to someone who claims he doesn't know?

You don't have to "give in to" anybody. If facts aren't known, you can believe anything. We don't know what "causes" gravity; therefore, it's perfectly acceptable BY FAITH to believe gravity is caused by invisible microscopic fairies.

But should you believe that and believe strongly by the application of faith? I claim no.

If the honest answer is "we don't know," then it's also the best answer (according to my reasoning). If we don't know, you can use faith to provide any answer at all, but why?
 

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
there are far too many copies of a learning device....each one rendering a unique soul.....
to say there is no life after death.

7billion+ examples and we all fail into the dust?
not one chance in billions?

I reason otherwise.

Souls are invisible and ubdetectable and cannot be determined to exist. Thus, there's no good reason to assume anything about souls.

C'mon, use your head.
 

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
and you would stubbornly contend that all life is fatal?......not one chance in billions of a spiritual continuance?

use your head

The "spiritual" cannot be demonstrated as anything other than fantasy. Supposing other ideas about that which cannot be demonstrated is ridiculous.

Think about it carefully.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Who is asking you to yield? You're welcome to believe in invisible and undetectable things.
and I do so for reason.
that you choose to rely on 'evidence'.....
rather than what is 'self' evident.....

this is the debate section......yield is an aspect!
 

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
Thief fails to realize that anything he can ONLY claim by "self evident" another can claim the opposite by "self evident." So it's a null effect.
 

McBell

Unbound
Thief fails to realize that anything he can ONLY claim by "self evident" another can claim the opposite by "self evident." So it's a null effect.
I honestly doubt Thief is taking that particular route.
Especially given his history of "faith doe snot require Proof" sermons.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
and God said to Moses......I AM!.....
that would be a little more the Self Evident.

some people should go read a book
 

outhouse

Atheistically
and God said to Moses......I AM!.....

Moses did not exist, so are you saying god is a literary creation as well ?



that would be a little more the Self Evident.

Self Evident yes it is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

The overwhelming modern scholarly consensus is, according to William Dever, that Moses is a figure of myth, not of history

some people should go read a book

Some people should go to a real school and get a real education on a topic they find valuable, instead of winging it :rolleyes:
 

Theunis

Active Member
The overwhelming modern scholarly consensus is, according to William Dever, that Moses is a figure of myth, not of history
I looked at the William Dever link but alas that article holds naught of what you claim.

The following are two extracts from that article that contradict your claim -

********** Quote **********
Dever argued that this 'folk' religion, with its local altars and cultic objects, amulets and votive offerings, was representative of the outlook of the majority of the population, and that the Jerusalem-centred 'book religion' of the Deuteronomist circle set out in the Hebrew Bible was only ever the preserve of an elite, a 'largely impractical' religious ideal.[5]

Archaeology as it is practiced today must be able to challenge, as well as confirm, the Bible stories. Some things described there really did happen, but others did not. The Biblical narratives about Abraham, Moses, Joshua and Solomon probably reflect some historical memories of people and places, but the 'larger than life' portraits of the Bible are unrealistic and contradicted by the archaeological evidence.[11]
********* Unquote *********

Of course if you misquoted the link and in the light of the foregoing I see it as only an opinion and not a proven fact. How does one confirm or deny a myth? Guess work and conjecture ?!
 
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Theunis

Active Member
Your problem is with comprehending what is said. It obvious you do not.

You don't understand the definition of myth at all. [lack of comprehending]

Not one word you wrote refuted a single word of mine.
No bull

When you were still in diapers I already knew and understood Myths, folklore etc. etc.

I immediately saw your mistake but alas you are once again not admitting that your link to Dever and what you claim he said nowhere to be found in that specific article; As such it is the wrong reference.

Tell me what is your comprehension problem that I may try to help you.

Of course it can be construed that you are reading things into what is not there; i.e strawman tactics and that you are attempting or trying, perhaps on an unconscious level, to project your misunderstandings and non-comprehension onto me.
Look at paragraph two in my quote of what Dever actually said in that specific article.
 
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