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Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?

Theunis

Active Member
Stating he obvious is not wafting.

Anyone can dance around reason using philosophy. But not successfully.
Ah yes but sometimes it is the last waltz and the last waltz will be forever.
Your prejudice and preconceived ideas are showing. Have you experienced the so-called spiritual, supernatural and paranormal as found in telepathy. Recent researches have proven it to exist even if it is not repeatable for all humans.
Did you know that in 2005 three students and two others involved in the research proved that sound is faster than light. This proves that may things of unknown qualities and thus many things regarded is spiritual and thus the unknown, are merely, as yet, the unexplained natural
 

Theunis

Active Member
When man defines something, he defines the law creating said law regarding nature.

Only man makes these laws to describe nature.

But context is key, no god has ever created a law. Only man recorded laws.
Hmm quite a dance - first you say laws are created by man now you say man only records existing laws.
In an analogy where would you say those existing laws originated? Are particles showing subjective likes or dislikes?
Aren't these natural laws of the universe and in accordance with the pantheistic thoughts of the Universe and all that it consists of?. So some coming across the unexplained says god created it; you in your subjectivity and other thought patterns, then turn around and say nonsense, prove it - Perhaps you should first give concrete proof of your own subjective thought patterns
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Your prejudice and preconceived ideas are showing.

You do not get to define that.

Have you experienced the so-called spiritual, supernatural and paranormal as found in telepathy

No such thing.

Provide sources

Did you know that in 2005 three students and two others involved in the research proved that sound is faster than light

yes I do know all about this basement type of work, pretty cool but changes nothing imperceptible describes the context.

None of the individual waves making up the sound pulses traveled faster than c.

This proves that may things of unknown qualities and thus many things regarded is spiritual and thus the unknown, are merely, as yet, the unexplained natural

No it factually does not. :rolleyes:

Many things can be proven to be mythology.

Many things can be shown to be imaginative with a high degree of certainty
 

Theunis

Active Member
I am only speaking to those who claim that God is necessary for things like the complexity of life, the beginning of life, the big bang, etc. and support this claim with various God of the Gaps arguments.
If it makes them happy, why must I without knowing what is the truth attempt to burst their bubble and destroy what to them is an essential, psychological anchor in their lives. Is this not rather sadistic leaving them adrift in a stormy ocean? Does it not show a lack of compassion?
 

Theunis

Active Member
You do not get to define that.



No such thing.

Provide sources



yes I do know all about this basement type of work, pretty cool but changes nothing imperceptible describes the context.

None of the individual waves making up the sound pulses traveled faster than c.



No it factually does not. :rolleyes:

Many things can be proven to be mythology.

Many things can be shown to be imaginative with a high degree of certainty
1. I did not define it I observed it and commented thereon.
2. Your ignorance of modern day scientific research is showing
3. Aw gee this was done at an university thus meeting your criteria of universities, professors and academics being the only ones who know such things, Ten years and you are still in the dark!
4. Haha your usual response when cornered
5. And so too have myths about yoga, the aura and mind over matter been proven to be scientific facts
6. Why try quoting the known and obvious to me. I already knew this as a toddler.

It is a myth that you have forebears, You cannot furnish me with scientific proof of your great, great, great, great, grandfather. Perhaps a donkey trod on a heap of evolution and out you popped. See I can also indulge in frivolous nonsense:):p
 

outhouse

Atheistically
2. Your ignorance of modern day scientific research is showing

Nothing you can substantiate. :rolleyes:

But thanks for a weak pathetic personal attack.

You cannot debate religion philosophically. Dance all you like in the safety of vague and meaningless meaning.
 

Theunis

Active Member
No one has. Are you all POE or just a little ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepathy

There is no scientific evidence that telepathy is a real phenomenon. Many studies seeking to detect, understand, and utilize telepathy have been carried out, but no replicable results from well-controlled experiments exist.[6][7][8][9]
It must be your POE that is polluting the scene.
I already told you so. Sheesh try reading what I say. Your knowledge regarding well-controlled experiments is lacking. I was speaking of scientific researches
 

Theunis

Active Member
To bad, happiness has nothing to do with scientific reality.
So why are so many scientists happy with their findings ?
The Hicks Bosom, nicknamed "the god particle"is a moot point

Oh dear it is now 12:45 AM in my part of the world, so tata and thanks for playing.
 
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leibowde84

Veteran Member
If it makes them happy, why must I without knowing what is the truth attempt to burst their bubble and destroy what to them is an essential, psychological anchor in their lives. Is this not rather sadistic leaving them adrift in a stormy ocean? Does it not show a lack of compassion?
No. By entering a religious debate forum, they open the door.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
No I never heard such an argument. But I also never encountered such an argument for atheism, morals, existence of consciousness other than mine, free will, non free will, that someone loves someone, that I didnt only exist since one second, that the sun will rise tomorrow etc either.

Some things cant be proven, so you gotta have faith.

Interesting post, and to a large extent I would agree. However, I think there is a line. When someone's faith in something impacts on someone else in a direct manner, then being unable to rationalise it is a problem (imho).

One of those lines would be the separation of state and religion.

Religion shouldn't get involved in politics and the law.

Though there may be some commonalities between secular state law and religion, like from the Ten Commandments with do not steal and do not murder, I don't think the Ten Commandments should dictate what a person believe or don't believe, or is it wrong to worship more than one god or to not worship any god whatsoever. Or do followers have the rights to destroy religion of another person (TC's do not worship idols).

Another line would the teaching of religious subject in public state schools, in subjects like in science. Creationists (and Intelligent Design followers) wanted creationism to be taught in biology, when creationism (and the bible) is not even remotely scientific.

In Britain, theology and science used to be mixed together. It was T.H. Huxley, not Charles Darwin, who advocate separating science from religion and theology. Science required any statement to be empirically testable or to have verifiable evidences to support it, not mere belief or faith.

To see some Christians trying to force schools teach creationism in science classrooms, is simply one of the line that could impact children education.

If Christians wanted to teach their children, then it can be taught at home, in Sunday school, in bible study, or enrolled them in one those church-run schools.

Yes, there are some lines need to be drawn.
 

Theunis

Active Member
No. By entering a religious debate forum, they open the door.
Yes but some only enter forums to try to find answers .
They are like babes in the woods and their psychological needs cause compassion in me for they are in dire need of their existing anchors. In far too many cases cutting them adrift and not replacing those anchors with something more than nothing is appalling. Their hopes and lives have been shattered!

I try to also live by the Golden Rule. It is a narrow rocky path, filled with pitfalls, thorns and temptations and personal ego issues. It is far more difficult then the narrow path of Christians.
In most of the discussions on forums the debates are for winning points. Invariably the winner is the loser for only his/her opinions etc are retained and there is no openness or in depth consideration of the opponent thoughts and info.. In far too many cases it is fanaticism at play.
 

Theunis

Active Member
There is no scientific evidence that telepathy is a real phenomenon
To me it is a fact.
I wonder what happened when at the age of 15 someone who stole my flippers and pawned them at a shop around the corner from our house when I accused him thereof answered me simultaneously in two voices; a lie from his mouth and the truth direct from his mind. I let the matter lie for I read his need for the money in his mind.

I am one of those born with it so who says there are not others with the same "aberation". Have you ever gone to an Empath forum and tried to unthread past expereniece traumatic reactions from their other tellings?
 

Reflex

Active Member
Oh, for heaven's sake. Of course atheists believe there is no argument that can stand up to reasoned scrutiny. That's because the arguments they encounter are either puerile or beyond their ability to grasp.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Yes but some only enter forums to try to find answers .

And only credible education offers that. Not made up myths.

They are not going to get the best help listening to the uneducated feed them full of malarky

To me it is a fact.

That's why you have no credibility, because you turn something that doesn't even exist into fact in your own conscious mind.

It does not exist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepathy

There is no scientific evidence that telepathy is a real phenomenon. Many studies seeking to detect, understand, and utilize telepathy have been carried out, but no replicable results from well-controlled experiments exist.[6][7][8][9]
 
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