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Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?
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muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
History can only educate us with what has been recorded. If it was not recorded, that fact can not be used as evidence about whether something happened or not.
..furthermore, history is recorded differently by different nations. There is no point in quoting THE BELIEF of one or two historians about whether events in the Bible took place or did not take place .. it makes interesting reading, I would agree, but your claim that conclusions of certainty about history can be reached is total nonsense!
..particularly when we go back thousands of years. You are either a liar or a fool about this matter.
outhouse
Atheistically
You cannot debate against historical methods you have not learned about.
How scholars determine history and how the place plausibility is not up for debate because you have personal bias.
Why don't you look into the exact reasons they make these determinations? and study the REAL history.
How scholars determine history and how the place plausibility is not up for debate because you have personal bias.
Why don't you look into the exact reasons they make these determinations? and study the REAL history.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Why don't you? If you have, then perhaps you could enlighten us, instead of just 'dropping names'
outhouse
Atheistically
Why don't I look into history? I have in detail and studied at universities on these topics. I lecture on this topic at a college.
What I'm telling you is the middle of the road academic opinions.
I have posted many credible source, multiple times indicating Abraham and Moses never existed and are in fact mythology.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
That may well be the opinion of some people. They can't know for sure, as you suggest they do.
They weren't around thousands of years ago.
Can you please post another source that explains why many historians hold this opinion, please? I think I know what they might say, but let's see..
outhouse
Atheistically
They can and they do.
The difference between them and you besides their devotion to education to learn all they can on the topic they study, is they do not have the bias so they can reach the truth.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
and you cannot debate belief when you have none.
you lack the understanding
and you dare to use the word?....bias
outhouse
Atheistically
belief has nothing to do with real history
Yes I lack understanding of how so many people refuse credible educations, and refuse credible knowledge on topic they obviously have some interest in.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
that's just your bias in play
That's nice so only your histronics, sorry history, with your massive bias to prove your opinions and views is applicable. I prefer to get it from the horses mouth and not outsiders drawing their own conclusions through conjecture and guess work.
So only the biased should dictate history
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Aah yes. They did go back in time and many of those Professors with their bloated egos were unable to face the truth so they became delusional and fabricated their own histories. They are now like catatonics withdrawn in their delusional world, able to hear and see things, but forever unresponsive to the facts/truths they do not wish to face. See the hand - it covers their eyes which is yet another confirmation that they do not and cannot face the truth.You did not know these time machines are everywhere.
We call them universities, and they have books and professors
Anyone can write a book !
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Sheesh your own super duper bias is overshadowing his!
Man oh man since when do scholars determine history?
Are they the ones who pre-ordain everything ?
ROFL If they determine history then their illusion in their own beliefs in fairy tales and fictions stem from their imagination and deluded minds.
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outhouse
Atheistically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_studies
Historical research has often dominated modern biblical studies. Biblical scholars usually try to interpret a particular text within its original historical context and use whatever information is available to reconstruct that setting. Historical criticism aims to determine the provenance, authorship, and process by which ancient texts were composed. Famous theories of historical criticism include the documentary hypothesis which suggests that the Pentateuch was compiled from four different written sources, and different reconstructions of "the historical Jesus" based primarily on the differences among the canonical Gospels.
Theories , hypothesis and suggestions !
You are attempting the desperate use of a red herring - Trying to lead one away from the fact that you said scholars determine history !
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Well now if you are a lecturer at a college why does your profile indicate you are in sales?
In a previous post you did say you were allowed to lecture a few times, which indicated that thereafter you were not a lecturer !
Me thinks you appear to be gullible and in desperation not to lose your anchor points you hang on to what Professors say as if they are the ultimate holders of the truth. Boy oh boy have I not heard how some of them gargle nonsense regarding hypnosis.
Most does not imply all and Dever himself says so
In this regard I agree with Dever who is open minded.
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outhouse
Atheistically
I donate my time at Sacramento city College, a few times a year.
No I did not say I was allowed to lecture a few times, I said that is all I did.
I stopped doing because of the atheistic agenda I thought the professor had. Felt like he was using me.
Now that I understand why he took that position, I have decided to do it again.
outhouse
Atheistically
The overwhelming modern scholarly consensus
It does not take "all" to understand what took place in the past.
A few scientist think the earth is only 6000 years old, that does not mean its still up for debate.