prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Will you make the argument that Dever believes Moses was a real person?
Please do.
Let's see your support for that claim.
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Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?
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Will you make the argument that Dever believes Moses was a real person?
Please do.
Let's see your support for that claim.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Why should I do so when Dever has already said it could be historical memories which does not imply factual memories. Are you attempting that I should place words in Dever's mouth that he never utterred. Sis on you.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Nope.
I'm saying that his professional opinion is clear. You are debating as if it isn't on this one case simply because he doesn't directly state what he generally states. Why are you hanging on to this argument if Dever obviously isn't going to make the opposite claim than his general one?
So in that case you are merely trying to bait me with irrelevancies.
If you view some of his lectures he does say one must be open-minded. Open mindedness has nothing to do with Moshe or the subject to hand. I merely stated I agree with some things he says and that he is open-minded.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Nope. You misunderstand. My point, they I clearly made, was that just because he didn't state those exact words doesn't mean he thinks differently. Yet you keep pressing the point. Therefore, it must be important to you. If it's important, then you must feel some sort of vindication that he has a different opinion of Moses than his general sentiment.
His open mindedness isn't relevant.
outhouse
Atheistically
He was talking about the biblical study in general fro a few different so called prophets not being specific about moses alone.
His specific comments about Moses are not up fro debate because you don't like them.
If you cannot supply a credible link and source in context, then you have nothing to debate.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
outhouse
Atheistically
.. whatever you say boss!
Just for you. An example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mythology
Islam incorporates many Biblical events and heroes into its own mythology. Stories about Musa (Moses)[1] and Ibrahim (Abraham)[2] form parts of Islam's scriptures
Here it states clearly islam took biblical mythology of moses and abraham and used in their own name. The definition of plagiarized mythology.
Shad
Veteran Member
Yet you claimed something he didn't say. That was my point. He has evidence to support his conclusion, you don't. He has evidence that directly contradicts the biblical accounts.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
You're boring and repetitive .. it's already been explained to you that 'biblical mythology' might be true .. you only believe it to be false.
.if it is true, then it would NOT be plagiarized so your conclusion is TOTALLY WRONG..
.. MIGHT be plagiarised. You have no evidence that Muhammad, peace be with him, was a fraud, pretending to have revelations .. you only believe that Abrahamic scriptures are ALL untrue and copied and added to, one to another.
One day we will see who's conclusions are more reasonable
You carry on telling yourself that you know all history of mankind CATEGORICALLY .. I've seen religious people doing the same thing .. they know it all .. it's black & white.
BAH! Nobody knows all but Almighty God!
outhouse
Atheistically
It was not explained in cont6ext or in any credible manner.
We already know these events did not take place as written.
Not true.
We see many things correct, and we see some historical cores to the mythology.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
You carry on telling yourself that you know all history of mankind CATEGORICALLY .. I've seen religious people doing the same thing .. they know it all .. knowledge of God is black & white.
BAH! Nobody knows all but Almighty God!
outhouse
Atheistically
I do not know it all.
But I do study what is known with certainty, instead of telling everyone my faith determines history like so many theist do in factual error.
Why would you be any different? credible evidence wont change your faith will it?.
No it is factually not.
Study is required.
No. Historians know history because they use facts and credible evidence to determine what happened in the past.
Most theist use mythology to determine the past.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Of course! Your argument about historical method is is not credible evidence and is very similar to the one about 'scientific method' .. black & white conclusions .. credit others with intelligence as well as yourself .. many theists are also graduates, and don't ALL have 'inherited religions' .. they make different conclusions to you .. that's all.
A broad knowledge/education is vital to being a complete person
outhouse
Atheistically
And the most educated theist all agree with me on this.
There is no debate here. Israelites used and write mythology. Its not my fault ancient men copied it. And modern men refuse knowldge
A broad knowledge/education is vital to being a complete person
Your arguing against this
gnostic
The Lost One
If any religion require me to believe in the absurdities of man being able able to converse with animals, like (Eve with) a serpent (Genesis 3), (Balaam with) a donkey (Numbers 22), or (Solomon) with birds and ants (Qur'an 27), then those scriptures are not at all rational.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
No .. no reasonable debate from you, in any case..
No .. you're just 'blinkered' .. you assume believers read scripture and take it as history without using their brains. You use yours, and I'll use mine .. I would not like 'a brain transplant'.
..comes to that I wouldn't agree to a heart transplant, either. I am me, and want to stay that way