Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?

[Shad]

Well now. Unlike others he has the guts to investigate all things.

Actually he no guts as he refused to conduct any controlled test showing his methods work. Instead he get rich from the gullible and desperate like any other conartist. Go look at his claims for 2012. He claimed the magnetic field of the Earth would reverse and damage DNA. It didn't.

 

[Theunis]

Not accepted. I think you're smarter than that. I'm not going to believe you're dumb just to buy into this after-the-thought rationale.

Nope merely commenting on your use of "inconsistent"

 

[Theunis]

Actually he no guts as he refused to conduct any controlled test showing his methods work. Instead he get rich from the gullible and desperate like any other conartist. Go look at his claims for 2012. He claimed the magnetic field of the Earth would reverse and damage DNA. It didn't.

Okay I am lazy. Could you give me a link to the article, pse.

 

[prometheus11]

Nope merely commenting on your use of "inconsistent"

Nope. Again, I'm not willing to believe you're as dumb as you'd have to be in order to insist on that reply.

Sorry. I think you're smart enough to know where you've gone wrong, here.

 

[prometheus11]

Well now. Unlike others he has the guts to investigate all things.

It's physically impossible to "investigate all things." But if you could, it'd be a function of ability not "guts." Lol

 

[Shad]

Okay I am lazy. Could you give me a link to the article, pse.

You can find his claims in his book The Mystery of 2012: Predictions, Prophecies, and Possibilities. All of which failed since there is zero data to confirm his claim 4 years later.

 

[Mister Emu]

It sounds like your trying to argue a philosophical debate, more so then make a decent case for a position you wish to defend.

I'm objecting to a position you have taken, not proposing one of my own. Also, again you show you are more concerned with my having a position for you to attack than the defense of your own.

As I said, I will be happy to discuss my position once the pesky matter of your claim to perfect knowledge of the evidence for deity is cleared up.

You have not shown this.

It is a necessity of the statement. For one to claim that there exists no evidence for deity one must be in possession of all possible evidence for deity and a methodology dealing with the different types. Otherwise, your knowledge is incomplete and the statement cannot be supported; you can only claim that you have seen no compelling evidence.

My claims are for the most part academic in nature.

This claim was unacademic.

 

[outhouse]

It is a necessity of the statement. For one to claim that there exists no evidence for deity one must be in possession of all possible evidence for deity and a methodology dealing with the different types. Otherwise, your knowledge is incomplete and the statement cannot be supported; you can only claim that you have seen no compelling evidence.

If we are going to get into details.

It is not upon me to prove no god exist. It is upon those making miraculous claims to provide miraculous evidence. It has NEVER been done. Gods do not exist at this time because the burden that falls on the person making the claim has factually never been substantiated.

It is factually not a necessity for me to possess all possible evidence when discounting claims of purple flying unicorns. Sorry your reply above is non sequitur.

 

[Theunis]

Okay I am lazy. Could you give me a link to the article, pse.

You can find his claims in his book The Mystery of 2012: Predictions, Prophecies, and Possibilities. All of which failed since there is zero data to confirm his claim 4 years later.

So who is always 100% correct. Scientists are continually updating their data.

 

[Shad]

So who is always 100% correct. Scientists are continually updating their data.

Science is not about absolutes, you do not understand what science is, nothing more. However his claims still failed as it is 2016 and zero of his claims happened in 2012 or since.

 

[Theunis]

It's physically impossible to "investigate all things." But if you could, it'd be a function of ability not "guts." Lol

Okay. But what I meant is that he is open minded and is not afraid to be eclectic and in the process he is inclined to also investigate many things others fear because of their prejudices etc.
He did say regarding the "Hospital without medicine" that he is aware that computer read-outs can be faked.

 

[Theunis]

Science is not about absolutes, you do not understand what science is, nothing more. However his claims still failed as it is 2016 and zero of his claims happened in 2012 or since.

Try it on when, in another post, I said the mind is the most difficult to study.
Dear me now which part of science don't I, according to you, understand ?
You are merely paraphrasing what I already said.

We also had so many other predictions about 2012 that were wrong

The Mayan thoughts/prediction on the beginning of a new era appears more correct than others.

 

[Theunis]

Science is not about absolutes, you do not understand what science is, nothing more. However his claims still failed as it is 2016 and zero of his claims happened in 2012 or since.

We are all fallible and make our mistakes.
Unfortunately I do not have access to the book you mentioned.

 

[Shad]

We are all fallible and make our mistakes.
Unfortunately I do not have access to the book you mentioned.

There are mistakes then there are hacks making wide claims based on the uneducated opinions based on pop-culture they read which is exactly what he did. He did no more than what every quack did about 2012.

 

[Shad]

Try it on when, in another post, I said the mind is the most difficult to study.
Dear me now which part of science don't I, according to you, understand ?

The fact that you think science is 100%, it isn't otherwise there would be no such parameter as falsification

You are merely paraphrasing what I already said.

Nope since I never said it was 100% but you did.

We also had so many other predictions about 2012 that were wrong

Yes all the quacks were wrong as they are quacks making up prediction based on pure ignorance and/or delusional thinking

The Mayan thoughts/prediction on the beginning of a new era appears more correct than others.

And the Georgian calendar predicted the end of year 18 days ago. Oh my a calendar predicting the end of a year..... It's not like that is the purpose of a calendar. What is next? Are you going to be amazed by the prediction of the end of the 21st century on dec 31 2199....

 

[loverofhumanity]

Yes. The Bahai Faith claims humanity is one family, one race. This is supported by not one but many sciences. Humanity is in truth one race. We have created imaginary segregationist in our minds such as He is American they are Muslim but science can only prove we are humans not Americans or Muslims as it is a label not the true reality

 

[Theunis]

The fact that you think science is 100%, it isn't otherwise there would be no such parameter as falsification



Nope since I never said it was 100% but you did.



Yes all the quacks were wrong as they are quacks making up prediction based on pure ignorance and/or delusional thinking



And the Georgian calendar predicted the end of year 18 days ago. Oh my a calendar predicting the end of a year..... It's not like that is the purpose of a calendar. What is next? Are you going to be amazed by the prediction of the end of the 21st century on dec 31 2199....

 

[Theunis]

What you are now saying points to misunderstandings
1. I have never said science is 100%. I have queried some of their findinngs.
1.1 Perhaps I should have said that because scientific theories etc are continually updated it is open ended. We are using different words to say the same thing.
2. Quacks ? This to me says every time a scientist is wrong he is also a quacks! I have already said we are all fallible.
2.2 Delusional thinking ? This is what you are indulging in when you have no knowledge of my knowledge and make unqualified assumptions.
3. Calendar predictions are like horoscopes, you will always have some people believing such things

Sorry for the belated reply - Sunday night i tripped over some shoes and crashed into the door frame. I now have a small hole on my nose; a black eye; a bruised elbow and hip.

 

[Shad]

What you are now saying points to misunderstandings
1. I have never said science is 100%. I have queried some of their findinngs.

You contradict yourself "So who is always 100% correct. Scientists are continually updating their data."

Perhaps I should have said that because scientific theories etc are continually updated it is open ended. We are using different words to say the same thing.

No you should have never mentioned the 100% correct parameters at all

Quacks ? This to me says every time a scientist is wrong he is also a quacks! I have already said we are all fallible.

He has no formal education is any medical nor science field. He is no scientist as they are obligated to follow certain standards, standards your quack does not follow. He made claims and his predication fail, claims based on mythology.

Delusional thinking ? This is what you are indulging in when you have no knowledge of my knowledge and make unqualified assumptions.

All his claims failed. To think a non-scientist is one is a delusion or ignorance. To hold that his ideas have merit when each failed is one or the other.

Calendar predictions are like horoscopes, you will always have some people believing such things

You mean how your source made claims based on the Mayan calendar which failed. You seem not to understand the pseudoscience your figure is involved it.

Sorry for the belated reply - Sunday night i tripped over some shoes and crashed into the door frame. I now have a small hole on my nose; a black eye; a bruised elbow and hip.

No problem. I had my own medical issues on Monday and Tuesday. Standard bloodwork, X-rays and CTs for my 5 year cancer free observations. While not physically demanding mentally and emotionally it drains me. I can understand your experience in a way. At times it is just better to avoid any unnecessary distractions. I just read a good book to relax.

 

[viole]

The Mayan thoughts/prediction on the beginning of a new era appears more correct than others.

If you have a certain number of people, or cultures, making predictions about the future, one is bound to be more precise then the others. Tautologically.

If I say that tomorrow it will rain while my husband says it will not, one is bound to be right. Even if we both have no clue about tomorrow's weather.

Ciao

- viole