Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?

[Theunis]

If you have a certain number of people, or cultures, making predictions about the future, one is bound to be more precise then the others. Tautologically.

If I say that tomorrow it will rain while my husband says it will not, one is bound to be right. Even if we both have no clue about tomorrow's weather.

Ciao

- viole

Commenting on the expected weather is an everyday mundane occurance.

 

[Theunis]

Only because you added to the definition you sourced...

. Prophecy is in the field of the so-called supernatural

 

[Theunis]

Only because you added to the definition you sourced...

Nope it was a definition appropriate to the conversation.

Which is the same as another proclaimed prophet that has ever existed.

And this from a student of history ! MIM. (MIM from old morse code days = Amused)

 

[outhouse]

So who is always 100% correct

Its not about being 100% correct.


Who makes the most logical mistakes, and continues to repeat this behavior, IS the real question

 

[Theunis]

Its not about being 100% correct.


Who makes the most logical mistakes, and continues to repeat this behavior, IS the real question

Irrelevant !
Still doing your usual ducking and diving.
Your batting average remains zero

 

[outhouse]

Your batting average remains zero

Which is the same as any other proclaimed prophet that has ever existed.

 

[Theunis]

Which is the same as any other proclaimed prophet that has ever existed.

All I can do is

 

[McBell]

Nope it was a definition appropriate to the conversation.

it was nothing more than a self serving attempt to move the goal post in order to further engage in pigeon chess.

 

[Theunis]

it was nothing more than a self serving attempt to move the goal post in order to further engage in pigeon chess.

Aah yes Methinks you do not understand nor accept what I said and you are using strawman tactics and also trying to project that which you have done onto me.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

In all these years debating with religious people I ve never been faced with an argument that I ended up to find challenging or hard to dismantle. They go from the clever ones to nonsense one ( like "cause I feel it in my heart" ) to the most stupid and elementary ones ( like the classic "what if you're wrong" ) but in the end they always can be rejected by use of reason and logic (even if they usually find unsatisfactory those answers cause they dont praise reason and logic ). Maybe I ve been unlucky and found only weak debaters. So my question is both to religious and not religious people

To non believers I ask, Have you ever faced an argument that really represented a challenge for you or that you weren't able to dismantle?

To believers I ask, is there an argument that you think you can present and that no unbeliever has ever been able to provide a good answer to? ( assuming it wasn't only because you would reject every possible explanation going against your faith, like for example creationists rejecting all the arguments against Noah s ark )

It's interesting that Jesus said, you would be able to tell who were His followers, not so much by what they taught, but by how they acted! (John 13:34-35) Find a group that has this love worldwide for their brothers, transcending all divisive barriers -- national, racial, etc. -- and you've found the group blessed by God's spirit. It would take the power of God's Spirit, to make such a thing happen....it is happening, among Jehovahs Witnesses.

 

[McBell]

Aah yes Methinks you do not understand nor accept what I said and you are using strawman tactics and also trying to project that which you have done onto me.

bull ****.
You added your own spin ("existing established facts") to the definition of the word.

If you need to believe that I do not understand in order to make yourself feel better, by all means, further lie to yourself.
But you will not be fooling me any.

 

[McBell]

It's interesting that Jesus said, you would be able to tell who were His followers, not so much by what they taught, but by how they acted! (John 13:34-35) Find a group that has this love worldwide for their brothers, transcending all divisive barriers -- national, racial, etc. -- and you've found the group blessed by God's spirit. It would take the power of God's Spirit, to make such a thing happen....it is happening, among Jehovahs Witnesses.

*Climbs up onto pontoon boat*

Did I get any on me?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

*Climbs up onto pontoon boat*

Did I get any on me?

It's gettin deep, huh?

Check out their reputation on political neutrality, it speaks for itself.

 

[Theunis]

bull ****.
You added your own spin ("existing established facts") to the definition of the word.

If you need to believe that I do not understand in order to make yourself feel better, by all means, further lie to yourself.
But you will not be fooling me any.

uhm yes you mean lie to yourself, to make you feel better

 

[McBell]

uhm yes you mean lie to yourself, to make you feel better

not even trying to hide your transference....

 

[Theunis]

not even trying to hide your transference....