What I think isn't really relevant. I'm asking these questions from your own perspective.
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Is There Death After Life After Death?
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Since I can't figure what you mean by your question about death life death life I can't really answer SINCE I believe there is life and there is death and only God can give life and cause death in the long run. Even babies need two persons to start the life process. They did not give life to themselves.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I do think your thoughts are important. Relevant.
So what you're saying is that you don't believe in life after death?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
No. I am saying that God can resurrect the dead. After that is still more to come but not as some religious teachings have it, such as eternal torture in a horrible fire or hot place. What it means is death after life after death.
So the question is, that new life after resurrection, does death follow that? Does it end? If so, when. If not, how?
Could the philosophers be wrong?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Some in the first century did not believe in the resurrection. Paul gave a very good accounting in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 about this, but I quote a little from it. "But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36You fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or something else. 38But God gives it a body as He has designed, and to each kind of seed He gives its own body."
So he brings out that even a grain of wheat dies in order for it to grow. The chapter is very interesting.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You were not alive in the past.
You are alive now establishing a solid 1:? possibility. This phenomena can happen again and again, over and over. It happened before, it can certainly happen again.
When the lights do eventually come on , the questions are when, what, who, and where?
When I was not alive, I experienced no past...no time at all. Just as in the state of deep sleep, anesthesia, or samadhi.
The appearance of linear time only exists when I'm awake or dreaming.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
True and no cognizant connection with any past 'self' that is gone forever.
I think of it as a great reset from who we think we are, yet we all are still interconnected along with all new life in endless forms erupting all around us on this planet as death loses its grip in wake of new life coming to be before our very eyes.
It's why I think the proverbial 'lights' come on and off all the time.
Brian2
Veteran Member
If you start off believing the 16th century philosophy you gave then a life after this one will end. But why would I believe the 16th century philosophy you gave?
Instead I believe that God can give eternal life if He want to.
Actually, I made an error. It's 18th century, not 16th century. I went the wrong direction when I read "1702." I'll fix the OP momentarily.
Can you please explain the difference between believing that philosophy and believing that God can give eternal life if He wants to?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I'm not sure where you got this idea from but before I studied the Bible's teachings about life and death, I might hear someone like you say what you said, and I'd think, What? What discouraging and awful thoughts. But I didn't know what the Bible said about life and death so I was in the dark as if there were obstacles around if I heard something like what you're saying
Brian2
Veteran Member
Believing a philosophy is believing something made up by people. That does not automatically mean it is wrong however and the philosopher might be right. The Philosopher might even be agreeing with the Bible but being read out of context.
What the Bible tells us is from God however imo and is not subject to human error.
Interestingly God and His eternal life had no beginning and so can have no end according to the philosophy, and it is this eternal life that God wants to give us. So according to the philosophy it does not have to end and so we can live forever. But God's Word does not have to completely agree with any philosophy of humans and in this case also does not agree completely.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Who knows?
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Yes, there is a death after life after death. But also there a life after the second death. In fact that already happend!
“Muddaththir will be there during the period of Rajat. Someone asked: O Amirul Momineen (a.s.), is there a second life before Qiyamat? And then death after that?
He replied: Yes, by Allah, during the period of Rajat there would be more disbelief.”
Bihar Al Anwar Vol 51 52 53 The Promised Mahdi English Translation Part 2 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Bihar ul Anwaar Vol 51, 52, 53
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Will Due
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"The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to “do the will of the Father in heaven,” so the divine spirit that indwells the mind of man becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual—it is something in between. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death."
The Urantia Book
Will Due
Member
Regarding a "second death" this is what the Urantia Book says about it. It only mentions it in relation to what happens with infants, who for whatever reason, pass on too soon:
"These infants of ascending mortals, are always personalized as of their exact physical status at the time of death. This awakening occurs at the exact time of the parental arrival on the next world. And then are these children given every opportunity, as they are, to choose the heavenly way just as they would have made such a choice on the worlds where death so untimely terminated their careers."
"And so do these children grow up on the transition world until such time as they make their final choice."
"When material life has run its course, if no choice has been made for the ascendant life, or if these children of time definitely decide against it, death automatically terminates their probationary careers. There is no adjudication of such cases; there is no resurrection from such a second death. They simply become as though they had not been."
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