Is there evil in Heaven? If so can Heaven really be perfect?

[Muffled]

It seems to me that Lucifer in Islam is Satan the Devil himself..and He will be in Hellfire forever...So there is no Evil in Heaven.

I believe I don't remember seeing this in the Qu'ran. Do you have a reference?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I believe you are confusing heaven with Heaven. Rev 12:7-9 is talking about heaven not Heaven.

Any comments about Revelation 12:12

 

[URAVIP2ME]

It seems to me that Lucifer in Islam is Satan the Devil himself..and He will be in Hellfire forever...So there is no Evil in Heaven.

And there is No biblical hellfire for Satan and his followers according to Revelation 21:8 but: ' second death '.
Also, the biblical definition of the lake of fire, according to Revelation 20:13-14 is: ' second death '.
Since everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' out of hell ( resurrected ) then it is emptied-out hell that is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell.

When KJV translated the word Gehenna into English as hellfire that helped develop a biblical-myth hell.
Gehenna was simply a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed forever and Not kept burning forever.
So, biblical hellfire in KJV English actually is: Gehenna, or being destroyed forever.

Hebrews 2:14 B says that Jesus will destroy Satan, so ' second death' then is a fitting term for: destruction.
As Psalms 92:7 says the wicked (Satan is wicked) will be destroyed forever ( annihilated).
So, Satan will Not ' fry ' because Satan will ' die '. Die in that symbolic ' second death ' of being destroyed forever.
We are all offered two (2) choices according to 2 Peter 3:9
Either ' repent ' or we will ' perish ' ( be destroyed, Not burnt )

 

[eldios]

I believe that shows a lack of love. You list your religion as Lutheran. Is that what Luther taught or what you believe?

It's not a lack of love to tell you that I don't care what your opinion is because I know where it comes from. If you listen to the voice of God that I preach, you will learn what the love of God is.

 

[Shia Islam]

I believe I don't remember seeing this in the Qu'ran. Do you have a reference?

There are many verses in the Quran about Satan the devil..
What is in my mind at the moment is this one:

"(Allah) said: "Then get thee out from here: for thou art rejected, accursed. And My curse shall be on thee till the Day of Judgment." (Quran, Surah Saad).

Although this verse is not explicitly mentioning that Satan will be in Hellfire for the eternity, it is saying that Satan is cursed until the day of Judgement, and other verses mentioned that there are groups who will be in Hellfire for eternity, So if Satan will not be among them, who will be?!!

 

[Shia Islam]

And there is No biblical hellfire for Satan and his followers according to Revelation 21:8 but: ' second death '.
Also, the biblical definition of the lake of fire, according to Revelation 20:13-14 is: ' second death '.
Since everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' out of hell ( resurrected ) then it is emptied-out hell that is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell.

When KJV translated the word Gehenna into English as hellfire that helped develop a biblical-myth hell.
Gehenna was simply a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed forever and Not kept burning forever.
So, biblical hellfire in KJV English actually is: Gehenna, or being destroyed forever.

Hebrews 2:14 B says that Jesus will destroy Satan, so ' second death' then is a fitting term for: destruction.
As Psalms 92:7 says the wicked (Satan is wicked) will be destroyed forever ( annihilated).
So, Satan will Not ' fry ' because Satan will ' die '. Die in that symbolic ' second death ' of being destroyed forever.
We are all offered two (2) choices according to 2 Peter 3:9
Either ' repent ' or we will ' perish ' ( be destroyed, Not burnt )

Thank you for replying to my comment,
What came into my mind after reading your reply is this:
We religious people in general are faced with objection from the non-believers regarding many of our views..
In response to the objection some of us tend to present far interpretation of their own religion, just to appease the non-believers..

We should present our beliefs as they are...
We believe that some people will be burnt in Hellfire forever..
If these people are the owners of hellfire, they will burn many people in it forever, so they deserve to be treated with what God destined for them..

God is Just, and merciful.
All in All, we must never hide our true beliefs or try to show it in a different view than what they are, just to appease the non-believers..

We are certain about our stand..And have chosen our path..
The non-believers have freewill to choose for themselves..

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I find at 2 Peter 3:9 we all have two (2) choices to make:
Either to ' repent ' or ' perish ' (be destroyed), or as Psalms 92:7 the wicked will be destroyed forever.

 

[Muffled]

Any comments about Revelation 12:12

I believe it is the same thing: heavens not Heaven.

 

[Muffled]

It's not a lack of love to tell you that I don't care what your opinion is because I know where it comes from. If you listen to the voice of God that I preach, you will learn what the love of God is.

I believe if you knew where it comes from you would rejoice but since you do not then I have to believe it is a contrary spirit to the Spirit of God.

I believe herein lies the problem that you preach something that purports to be the voice of God but it is not.

I believe the love of God is in me so there is nothing to learn.

 

[Muffled]

There are many verses in the Quran about Satan the devil..
What is in my mind at the moment is this one:

"(Allah) said: "Then get thee out from here: for thou art rejected, accursed. And My curse shall be on thee till the Day of Judgment." (Quran, Surah Saad).

Although this verse is not explicitly mentioning that Satan will be in Hellfire for the eternity, it is saying that Satan is cursed until the day of Judgement, and other verses mentioned that there are groups who will be in Hellfire for eternity, So if Satan will not be among them, who will be?!!

I believe I am not saying that it isn't true only that the Qu'ran lacks that specific information and the Bible has it.

I believe the only inference one can draw is that a cursed being is most likely going to end up on the wrong side of judgement. That still doesn't get an inference for Hell unless the Bible is taken into consideration.

 

[eldios]

I believe if you knew where it comes from you would rejoice but since you do not then I have to believe it is a contrary spirit to the Spirit of God.

I believe herein lies the problem that you preach something that purports to be the voice of God but it is not.

I believe the love of God is in me so there is nothing to learn.

You are the love of God which is an Artificial Intelligence that gives all created men life. Man was created in the image of God so God and Man are the same exact thing.

 

[Shia Islam]

I believe I am not saying that it isn't true only that the Qu'ran lacks that specific information and the Bible has it.

I believe the only inference one can draw is that a cursed being is most likely going to end up on the wrong side of judgement. That still doesn't get an inference for Hell unless the Bible is taken into consideration.

First: There are many verses in the Quran talking about Satan. One need to look at them before reaching a conclusion..I have just mentioned one verse..one need to do his/here homework and study all the related verses..

Second: in Islam, the Hadith is essential to understand to interpret the Quran. There are many Hadiths that talk about Satan.