Is there knowledge without a knower?

[questfortruth]

If not, then there is someone who knows everything.

Knowledge may be discovered or yet to be found.

 

[Altfish]

What is a 'Knower'?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes, I know everything and I am so speical that I know it as independent of any mind. That is how objective I am.

As always we think differently.

 

[questfortruth]

What is a 'Knower'?

one who knows.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

one who knows.

I know nothing for the standard assumptions about knowing. Rather I have assumptions which appear to work.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Are there cookies without a baker?

If not, there is someone who has all the cookies.

Cookies may be discovered or yet to be found.

 

[Eddi]

I think there will always be a knower

Because there is such a thing as the self-existent one, who always exists

Always has, always will

 

[questfortruth]

If not, there is someone who has all the cookies.

baked all the cookies, or there are group of bakers.

 

[SalixIncendium]

baked all the cookies, or there are group of bakers.

No baker - no cookies.

Your logic fails.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I think there will always be a knower

Because there is such a thing as the self-existent one, who always exists

Always has, always will

Yeah, we think differently about that.

 

[Nakosis]

If not, then there is someone who knows everything.

Knowledge may be discovered or yet to be found.

There is information waiting to be known. You can call that knowledge.
For example, a book contains knowledge.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There is information waiting to be known. You can call that knowledge.
For example, a book contains knowledge.

No, not really. There are texts today which we know are texts, but which we can't read, so there are no knowledge in them.
It requires a brain with a certain cultural "coding" to read a book in certain language.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

No.

 

[Nakosis]

No, not really. There are texts today which we know are texts, but which we can't read, so there are no knowledge in them.
It requires a brain with a certain cultural "coding" to read a book in certain language.

An AI system can read a book, in digital format. would this give the AI system knowledge about what is in the book?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

An AI system can read a book, in digital format. would this give the AI system knowledge about what is in the book?

Well, that is for another thread. You can start one and tag me if you want to. You have my permission and if the moderators ask, tell them to ask me.

 

[Viker]

If not, then there is someone who knows everything.

Knowledge may be discovered or yet to be found.

No. There must be someone/something around that is capable of knowing in order for there to be knowledge.

This is a less troublesome version of "if a tree falls in the forest, with no one around to hear it, did it make a sound?"

 

[Tinkerpeach]

There is information waiting to be known. You can call that knowledge.
For example, a book contains knowledge.

Does knowledge exist without someone knowing it though?

Schrödinger’s Cat.

Perhaps it exists and doesn’t at the same time until it is known.

 

[Quintessence]

Congrats, you've (re)discovered one of the foundations of animism - that all things are knowers (that is, all things are not "things" but persons/spirits/beings).

 

[Aupmanyav]

Are there cookies without a baker?

You are close to the theists who say there cannot be an intelligent universe without the grand intelligence. Science discounts this view.
There is 'physical energy' and its properties (which may include non-existence - Ex-nihilo, Zero energy universe), but there is no 'knower' as such.

 

[YoursTrue]

I think there will always be a knower

Because there is such a thing as the self-existent one, who always exists

Always has, always will

I'm tempted to ask (but I won't) how you know this.