questfortruth
Well-Known Member
If not, then there is someone who knows everything.
Knowledge may be discovered or yet to be found.
Knowledge may be discovered or yet to be found.
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Is there knowledge without a knower?
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yes, I know everything and I am so speical that I know it as independent of any mind. That is how objective I am. 
As always we think differently.
As always we think differently.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
one who knows.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I know nothing for the standard assumptions about knowing. Rather I have assumptions which appear to work.
Are there cookies without a baker?
If not, there is someone who has all the cookies.
Cookies may be discovered or yet to be found.
If not, there is someone who has all the cookies.
Cookies may be discovered or yet to be found.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
baked all the cookies, or there are group of bakers.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, we think differently about that.
There is information waiting to be known. You can call that knowledge.
For example, a book contains knowledge.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, not really. There are texts today which we know are texts, but which we can't read, so there are no knowledge in them.
It requires a brain with a certain cultural "coding" to read a book in certain language.
No.
An AI system can read a book, in digital format. would this give the AI system knowledge about what is in the book?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, that is for another thread. You can start one and tag me if you want to. You have my permission and if the moderators ask, tell them to ask me.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
No. There must be someone/something around that is capable of knowing in order for there to be knowledge.
This is a less troublesome version of "if a tree falls in the forest, with no one around to hear it, did it make a sound?"
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
Does knowledge exist without someone knowing it though?
Schrödinger’s Cat.
Perhaps it exists and doesn’t at the same time until it is known.
Congrats, you've (re)discovered one of the foundations of animism - that all things are knowers (that is, all things are not "things" but persons/spirits/beings).
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You are close to the theists who say there cannot be an intelligent universe without the grand intelligence. Science discounts this view.
There is 'physical energy' and its properties (which may include non-existence - Ex-nihilo, Zero energy universe), but there is no 'knower' as such.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I'm tempted to ask (but I won't) how you know this.