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Is there really such a thing as religious Satanism?
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Vasilisa Jade
Formerly Saint Tigeress
What do you mean by religious?
Antibush5
Active Member
You know the guys that actually worship Satan.
Smokeless Indica
<3 Damian Edward Nixon <3
LOL real Satanism isn't about worshiping Satan. LOL
I need to get The Enlightened One and a few others on this thread they could explain it better than me as I'm not a Satanist.
I need to get The Enlightened One and a few others on this thread they could explain it better than me as I'm not a Satanist.
Vasilisa Jade
Formerly Saint Tigeress
There are quite a few varieties of Satanism, and I am not an authority on any of them. I just started studying them not too long ago. There is a group in satanism, typically referred to as psuedo satanism, that is like what you described. They worship a Satan that they believe to be an actual being. A lot of the time the ideas they use to mold this being is from their christian foundation which they are rebelling from. From what I understood, this is what Lavey understood to have given Satanism a bad reputation. There are others who do this who believe Satan to be an actual being, but they get their ideas from other places it seems. These types tend to be... not good.
There are also atheistic Satanists. An example would be Laveyan Satanists. They are typically not what you describe. If you want to know of that read The Satanic Bible by Anton Lavey. It is a great read, well written, and has funnies all throughout. You can get it cheap on amazon.
So, in summary, yes some who call themselves Satanists are rebellious goth kids. Mostly though, satanists are not what you think.
Typically, what I would like to call a "mature" satanist (i.e. not the rebellious children) does not advocate worship of any being unless it is is themselves (auto-theism). It is an adversarial path devoted to growing ones own spiritual strength and fortitude from within. There are just many techniques of doing that, which creates the different types of Satanism.... I think.... (still working on this)
There are also atheistic Satanists. An example would be Laveyan Satanists. They are typically not what you describe. If you want to know of that read The Satanic Bible by Anton Lavey. It is a great read, well written, and has funnies all throughout. You can get it cheap on amazon.
So, in summary, yes some who call themselves Satanists are rebellious goth kids. Mostly though, satanists are not what you think.
Typically, what I would like to call a "mature" satanist (i.e. not the rebellious children) does not advocate worship of any being unless it is is themselves (auto-theism). It is an adversarial path devoted to growing ones own spiritual strength and fortitude from within. There are just many techniques of doing that, which creates the different types of Satanism.... I think.... (still working on this)
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The Enlightened One
Contrarian
Hello Antibush5(love the title ),
There are multiple types of satanism. Just as well, there are also many different left path "religions" out there that may seem similar to the religious satanism that you speak of. A couple of these that you may want to research(or not lol, it's up to you from here) is luciferianism and setianism.
Religious Satanism is typically referred to as "Traditional Satanism" or more commonly "Theistic Satanism." The two are similar in many aspects, but the main difference is that Theistic Satanists have a wide range of dieties. I'm not saying that this isn't true for the Traditionals but it is more common so in the Theistics.
Many Theistic Satanists consider their dieties "good" and have nothing to do with the teenage phenomenon know as reverse christianity. Albeit, there are a few religions that believe in the christian satan or lucifer, but they see Him as the good guy instead of the opposite. Alot of your theistic satanists have nothing at all to do with the christian idea of the devil; likewise, they encompass some of the older devils who were once revered as gods or godesses.
Then there are the edgy and different ones that you refer to. Yes they exist, but many satanists refer to them as christian rebels. They are into it for the shock value and to oppose the repression that they have endured in their young lives. I myself, used to be one of these. They typically "worship" the christian satan and look at evil as being evil, nevertheless associating themselves as such. It's usually just a stage. However, some mature satanists retain these beliefs and those are the ones that get a bad rep from the christian churches over the centuries.
Goths on the other-hand seem to be more of a cultural group instead of religious. They focus on the darker aspects of life due to things such as turning depression into fashion or just because they feel more in-tune to such feelings and emotions.
Adramelek will be able to tell you more about such Theistic views as Setianism. Orias is a fairly good source on Levayan Satanism(although I'm not too bad myself) and both can be found here on RF. If you have any further question you can PM any of us or just post it here in your thread and I will answer to the best of my ability.
Note: I am not representative of all satanists of course so seeking other resources may be helpful also
),There are multiple types of satanism. Just as well, there are also many different left path "religions" out there that may seem similar to the religious satanism that you speak of. A couple of these that you may want to research(or not lol, it's up to you from here) is luciferianism and setianism.
Religious Satanism is typically referred to as "Traditional Satanism" or more commonly "Theistic Satanism." The two are similar in many aspects, but the main difference is that Theistic Satanists have a wide range of dieties. I'm not saying that this isn't true for the Traditionals but it is more common so in the Theistics.
Many Theistic Satanists consider their dieties "good" and have nothing to do with the teenage phenomenon know as reverse christianity. Albeit, there are a few religions that believe in the christian satan or lucifer, but they see Him as the good guy instead of the opposite. Alot of your theistic satanists have nothing at all to do with the christian idea of the devil; likewise, they encompass some of the older devils who were once revered as gods or godesses.
Then there are the edgy and different ones that you refer to. Yes they exist, but many satanists refer to them as christian rebels. They are into it for the shock value and to oppose the repression that they have endured in their young lives. I myself, used to be one of these. They typically "worship" the christian satan and look at evil as being evil, nevertheless associating themselves as such. It's usually just a stage. However, some mature satanists retain these beliefs and those are the ones that get a bad rep from the christian churches over the centuries.
Goths on the other-hand seem to be more of a cultural group instead of religious. They focus on the darker aspects of life due to things such as turning depression into fashion or just because they feel more in-tune to such feelings and emotions.
Adramelek will be able to tell you more about such Theistic views as Setianism. Orias is a fairly good source on Levayan Satanism(although I'm not too bad myself) and both can be found here on RF. If you have any further question you can PM any of us or just post it here in your thread and I will answer to the best of my ability.
Note: I am not representative of all satanists of course so seeking other resources may be helpful also
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Smokeless Indica
<3 Damian Edward Nixon <3
Out of all the religions I actually like Satanism the most. It doesn't keep you from being human like some of the others do and it doesn't have a bunch of rules. Actually I don't think it has any but I'm not entirely sure. I just know what The Enlightened One had told me.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Over the last couple of decades or so I have self identified as a Satanist, I have met a LOT of other self-styled Satanists; both in person through the CoS, online and through snail mail correspondence. Before the late 90s, without exception these were all of the LaVeyan sort, with the closest thing to a traditional devil worshipper as described in the OP being members of the Temple of Set, and those guys usually kept their real world business to themselves.
The term 'traditional satanist' as used by would be devil worshippers today was actually coined by David Myatt of the ONA to describe their sinister way, which was nothing like what you might expect from devil worship, instead mostly focusing on national socialist politics (and this is where Satanism/national socialism link came from. Thanks a lot myatt, you *********).
Along comes the late 90s, a few really poorly made red font on black background geocities sites and bam..the new face of 'traditional satanism'(which of course being new, is lacking in any sort of tradition). This sort of Satanism has always been the providence of dabblers and the mentally unstable.
So in short, Satanism, big S, is an autotheistic carnal belief system that has been around about as long as wicca, with scores of very serious long term adherents all over the world. The other sort isn't really Satanism at all as I see it, and I have never met a rational adult that takes it seriously in any fashion.
The term 'traditional satanist' as used by would be devil worshippers today was actually coined by David Myatt of the ONA to describe their sinister way, which was nothing like what you might expect from devil worship, instead mostly focusing on national socialist politics (and this is where Satanism/national socialism link came from. Thanks a lot myatt, you *********).
Along comes the late 90s, a few really poorly made red font on black background geocities sites and bam..the new face of 'traditional satanism'(which of course being new, is lacking in any sort of tradition). This sort of Satanism has always been the providence of dabblers and the mentally unstable.
So in short, Satanism, big S, is an autotheistic carnal belief system that has been around about as long as wicca, with scores of very serious long term adherents all over the world. The other sort isn't really Satanism at all as I see it, and I have never met a rational adult that takes it seriously in any fashion.
Antibush5
Active Member
While on the subject of Satanism, I thought I should ask about a little incident I saw. I saw a bit of a documentary on LaVey Satanism, hell I even have the bible of it, if I bother to read it. I saw some Satanists who knew mr LaVey and they proformed the "black mass" now I had up till this point believed Satanism to be a philosophy, why is it they would proform such a religious activity to honour a diety they do not actually believe in?
Vasilisa Jade
Formerly Saint Tigeress
I'm gonna take a stab at this, again. lol. The others will correct if I am wrong I'm sure.
I have understood the black mass thus far to be a ritual, to focus the mind, and break the subconscious ties of any previously ingrained dogma.... but not an actual worship ceremony.
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Smokeless Indica
<3 Damian Edward Nixon <3
blackout
Violet.
The purpose of ritual black magick is not "worship" in any traditional sense.
Although by my own definition "wer-shape"...
"to form and shape One's Self"
or
"to fashion One's own Form"
"to shape oneSelf to a particular form"
(to "become" or "embody" that form/shape/thing)
it certainly does fit the context.
Things mean what they mean to YOU.
The idea of strict literalism in the LHP kind of makes me laugh.
Although by my own definition "wer-shape"...
"to form and shape One's Self"
or
"to fashion One's own Form"
"to shape oneSelf to a particular form"
(to "become" or "embody" that form/shape/thing)
it certainly does fit the context.
Things mean what they mean to YOU.
The idea of strict literalism in the LHP kind of makes me laugh.
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Erebus
Well-Known Member
LaVeyan rituals are about psychodrama really. Each ritual has its own psychological goal rather than a spiritual goal. The black mass, as Saint Tigeress said, is mainly designed to rid oneself of ingrained Christian dogma. Quite useful for ex Christians.
As for traditional (or theistic/spiritual) Satanists, from my experience they are an incredibly eclectic bunch. Most seem to be polytheistic or henotheistic, others are what could be called "reverse Christians" and some are deists or even gnostics. Basically, a few are rebellious teens, while others take it very seriously.
Have a look at Diane Vera's site Theistic Satanism: Diane Vera on today's new kinds of Satanists and Geifodd's site DEVIL WORSHIP - Geifodd, Your Friendly Neighborhood Devil Worshiper these are probably some of the best sites dealing with theistic Satanism.
Vasilisa Jade
Formerly Saint Tigeress
Ohhh, thank you Shyanekh! I needed some good resources to look more into theistic satanism with.
Erebus
Well-Known Member
Ohhh, thank you Shyanekh! I needed some good resources to look more into theistic satanism with.
No problem
GabrielWithoutWings
Well-Known Member
I daresay Diane Vera would disagree with you.
Then again, I suppose that would depend on how you define 'rational adult'.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Diane Vera is a crackpot of the highest order. Google 'joy of satan' and see for yourself.
GabrielWithoutWings
Well-Known Member
No, Diane Vera is the web author of Theistic Satanism.
The 'crackpot of the highest order' on Joy of Satan would be one Maxine Dietrich (Andrea Herrington), who is married to an Arkansas (or Oklahoma, I forget which) officer of the National Socialist party, which is strange considering she's of mixed race.
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KHPR
Social Meritocratist
The purpose was to make a mockery of the Catholic Mass. It's been done so much that it's kind of become a mockery of itself. I say we move on to a "Black Seder".
Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
Those of us who walk the Path of the Left began our journey's in so many different ways. Some become Aware of their true Self late in life, while others become Aware of it very early in life. For me, I became Aware of my Dark or Higher Self when I was around 14 1/2-years old. I started out as a so called "self-styled" Satanist. Performing rituals of my own creation which included invoking the Name of Satan, burning pages of the Xtian Bible, covering a cement skull with black candle wax, and things of that nature. Sort of my own self-styled black mass which lasted for a few years until a purchased my first copy of LaVey's "Satanic Bible". And after studying that book I was a LaVeyan Satanist for a number of years, until I discovered the Temple of Set and the Principles of Setian Philosophy.
I was immediately drawn to the infusion of ancient Egyptian symbolism and Satanic symbolism. And after looking into the ToS and its concept of the Egyptian god Set, it's take on the reality of that which Is the Prince of Darkness, Black Magic, and Xeper, and after calling upon the Dark One in His/Its Form of Set, my experience was so life altering I became completely convinced that the Way of Set was my Way, that the Path of Xeper was my Path. And it has been for the past 20 years, and will be for ever. I as a Setian hold that the Self/psyche is Sacred and immortal, it is the very Essence of the Prince of Darkness within humanity - That which is also known as the Gift of Set. It is That which distinguishes and seperates us humans from the rest of the natural order of things.
Faithfulness beyond Death!
Xeper em Ma'at.
/Adramelek\
Knight of the Black Order
I was immediately drawn to the infusion of ancient Egyptian symbolism and Satanic symbolism. And after looking into the ToS and its concept of the Egyptian god Set, it's take on the reality of that which Is the Prince of Darkness, Black Magic, and Xeper, and after calling upon the Dark One in His/Its Form of Set, my experience was so life altering I became completely convinced that the Way of Set was my Way, that the Path of Xeper was my Path. And it has been for the past 20 years, and will be for ever. I as a Setian hold that the Self/psyche is Sacred and immortal, it is the very Essence of the Prince of Darkness within humanity - That which is also known as the Gift of Set. It is That which distinguishes and seperates us humans from the rest of the natural order of things.
Faithfulness beyond Death!
Xeper em Ma'at.
/Adramelek\
Knight of the Black Order