Is there such a thing as Islamic culture?

[Shadow Wolf]

We can give our views from what we study, but if we do not experience it for ourselves we will only go by what we learned.

In the social sciences and academia, my definitions are correct. Sub-cultures are subsets of a larger culture. Being deaf does not put people in an entirely different culture, it does, however, put them into an area where they can share similar experiences with other deaf people in the larger culture, or other cultures.
People belong to a larger culture that is shared by all members of that culture, and then, after that, they belong to smaller sub-cultures that originate from within the larger culture, and they still have ties to the larger culture. Midwestern, for example, is a sub-culture of the larger American culture. From their you can have a sub-culture of race fans, farmers, factory workers, and so on, but it doesn't make anything a culture on their own because they are formed from the larger culture, which is Western culture.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

sorry just realizing this is long. Im on my phone so i cant highlight the points now. Do you understand what Im saying coming from a Deaf culture perspective not educational?

In the social sciences and academia, my definitions are correct. Sub-cultures are subsets of a larger culture.

Maybe, I can't debate there because I don't know the terminology within social science. I just know my understanding and experience within the Deaf Community is not a "study." The definition of culture and community is very intensive within the Deaf Community is not a science or sociology book. Some Deaf individuals identify with American culture (Individualist, and so forth) others with Deaf (Collectivist and so forth).

Being deaf does not put people in an entirely different culture, it does, however, put them into an area where they can share similar experiences with other deaf people in the larger culture, or other cultures.

Here is the think I mentioned before, though. How Deaf people identify culture is global not by country. As such, unlike sub-cultures who are influenced by the larger whole of that country, Anne in Brazil and John in America have their respectful home cultures in Brazil and America; but they both can identify with Deaf culture that goes beyond being Brazilian and American. Many Deaf people I talk with rather identify with Deaf Culture as their main culture and Brazilian, American, or so have you as their sub-culture.

In other words, they feel they have their sub-culture Brazilian or American. They believe their sub-culture is influenced by their main culture, Deaf* not deaf.

Being deaf does not put people in an entirely different culture, it does, however, put them into an area where they can share similar experiences with other deaf people in the larger culture, or other cultures.

Here is the problem with this view. From what I learned, in the Deaf Community, their experiences are not based on their ability to hear--if they are deaf or not. Sometimes that is part of; but, a lot of hearing interpreters are a part of Deaf Culture as well as some hearing people that the Deaf community trusts. Like experiences are a part of it; but, I see their relationship with each other as Asians to each other in their country, and Muslims to each other in their country. We don't deny that they have their own culture (although varied) but I haven't face to face, until now, came across someone who doesn't see the Deaf Community as being part of Deaf Culture. I guess someone who is part of the culture would have to chime in and explain it from a direct perspective--not study, not second hand, not by books or academic studies.

From their you can have a sub-culture of race fans, farmers, factory workers, and so on, but it doesn't make anything a culture on their own because they are formed from the larger culture, which is Western culture.

Deaf Culture isn't like racial, farmers workers, and so on. The community is global and completely different in that regards. I wouldn't call it a culture within a country. Because it is global and not within a specific country, it is not a sub-culture within that country. That is why and how Deaf individuals can identify as Deaf as their main and Brazilian as their sub-culture. Not always the other way around.
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I'm talking how the Deaf Community identifies themselves not whether the Deaf Culture (values of the community) is within a specific culture (sub-culture).

It's not an insult to tell Deaf people (hopefully) that their culture is a sub-culture. It is just not true especially when they can identify their main culture being part of the Deaf Community (as my friend, being part of the Philippine culture) and their sub-culture the American (or Brazilian, Cuban) values, or culture (or my friend American culture as her sub)
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It's like religion. You're telling me "The Catholic Church believes that the Eucharist is literally Jesus blood and body. See! Here it is in the Catechism."

I'm telling you "this is how Catholics see the Eucharist and what they mean by literal. Their relationship with the Eucharist is not literal as in physical flesh and blood (if so, they wouldn't be seeing hosts), there's a different definition than in books.

It's the same with Deaf Culture. I don't see it from a text book; I see it from their identification and my personal studies and interaction with the Deaf Community.

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I have to skidaddle. You are right within your own studies. Looking at it from a Deaf community perspective, it is not true for all Deaf individuals especially those who say their main culture is being Deaf (sorry guys, bad wording) and sub-culture as, say American.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Maybe, I can't debate there because I don't know the terminology within social science.

There is nothing to debate. The only thing that can be tricky to discern the difference between is a sub-culture and ethnic group. The Amish, for example, are generally considered their own ethnicity rather than a sub-culture because they are so isolated and withdrawn for the predominate Western culture of America, and they have their own ways, practices, and norms that are not the same or derived from the larger culture.

It's not an insult to tell Deaf people (hopefully) that their culture is a sub-culture. It is just not true especially when they can identify their main culture being part of the Deaf Community (as my friend, being part of the Philippine culture) and their sub-culture the American (or Brazilian, Cuban) values, or culture (or my friend American culture as her sub)

It's not an insult, because they are in fact members of a sub-culture. This is easily seen in how deaf people in America learn American sign language. Even though the deaf have their own shared experiences, they very way they communicate is still derived from the larger culture. Their culture does not stand on it's own, but it exists entirely within the larger culture, and is based on the language, ideas, and experiences of that larger culture, making what the deaf have a sub-culture.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Im out the house and on my phone. Do you understand what Im saying from a Deaf culture perspective not academic?

There is nothing to debate. The only thing that can be tricky to discern the difference between is a sub-culture and ethnic group. The Amish, for example, are generally considered their own ethnicity rather than a sub-culture because they are so isolated and withdrawn for the predominate Western culture of America.

It's not an insult, because they are in fact members of a sub-culture. This is easily seen in how deaf people in America learn American sign language. Even though the deaf have their own shared experiences, they very way they communicate is still derived from the larger culture. Their culture does not stand on it's own, but it exists entirely within the larger culture, and is based on the language, ideas, and experiences of that larger culture, making what the deaf have a sub-culture.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Im on my phone. Cant quote. The lasp part

Since the larger culture is global and not based soley on like experiences and "American" sign language, what whole is this culture a part of?

There is nothing to debate. The only thing that can be tricky to discern the difference between is a sub-culture and ethnic group. The Amish, for example, are generally considered their own ethnicity rather than a sub-culture because they are so isolated and withdrawn for the predominate Western culture of America, and they have their own ways, practices, and norms that are not the same or derived from the larger culture.

It's not an insult, because they are in fact members of a sub-culture. This is easily seen in how deaf people in America learn American sign language. Even though the deaf have their own shared experiences, they very way they communicate is still derived from the larger culture. Their culture does not stand on it's own, but it exists entirely within the larger culture, and is based on the language, ideas, and experiences of that larger culture, making what the deaf have a sub-culture.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Im out the house and on my phone. Do you understand what Im saying from a Deaf culture perspective not academic?

I get what you're saying. But even with your experience, the deaf have sub-cultures, not a culture. They do not stand apart from the larger culture, but came to be and exist entirely from within it.

Since the larger culture is global and not based soley on like experiences and "American" sign language, what whole is this culture a part of?

There is no global culture. That is why there is no Islamic culture, but Islamic sub-cultures. The reason there is no GLBT culture, but GLBT sub-cultures.
A culture is the shared values, norms, world views, language(s), and experiences that make different cultures different. America compared to Japan, for example, we see individual identity in America and group identity in Japan, predominately monolingual citizens in America compared to the generally at least bilingual Japanese, and a group that is always trying new things and another group that remains very traditional despite being "modernized" over night. Culture is the reason why t-shirt, blue jeans and sneaker wearing Americans can often easily be spotted from a mile away when they are many foreign countries. Culture is the reason you sound American, or German, or Chinese, or from where ever you are from when you learn and speak a foreign language.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Em. I understand what youre saying. Dont know what else to say. I get a different impression from Deaf (not deaf) indivisuals.

As for GBLT Id say its a sub culture based on values shared as minorities.

Shared experiences by minorities doesnt make it a culture. Shared customs, values, and points of view varied would be a culture (dont have my dictionary on me) deaf people seem to fall in the former, from what I know, Deaf community falls in the latter.

I get what you're saying. But even with your experience, the deaf have sub-cultures, not a culture. They do not stand apart from the larger culture, but came to be and exist entirely from within it.

There is no global culture. That is why there is no Islamic culture, but Islamic sub-cultures. The reason there is no GLBT culture, but GLBT sub-cultures.
A culture is the shared values, norms, world views, language(s), and experiences that make different cultures different. America compared to Japan, for example, we see individual identity in America and group identity in Japan, predominately monolingual citizens in America compared to the generally at least bilingual Japanese, and a group that is always trying new things and another group that remains very traditional despite being "modernized" over night. Culture is the reason why t-shirt, blue jeans and sneaker wearing Americans can often easily be spotted from a mile away when they are many foreign countries. Culture is the reason you sound American, or German, or Chinese, or from where ever you are from when you learn and speak a foreign language.