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Is there such a thing as Sin?

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
If you do not like that definition, redefine sin and answer in your own terms. Just be careful to state how you're defining sin.

A sin for a muslim is either sinning against Allah OR in many cases, regarded as more serious ,sinning against other people.

In that way, there are only 70 things that have been forbidden in Islam ,of all the millions of things one can do in this world. Outside of that, othe rthings may not be regarded as permissible or good for us but they are not necessarily sins or haraam.

So, on tha tbasis, yes, of course sin exists. However, non-religious individuals do not believe in the concept of sin, how can they? As it is a religious/spiritual concept.
 
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Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I'd just like to say that "sin" is pretty much an unworkable concept outside of monotheism. The moment you've got polytheism, absolutely everything and everything is a "sin" for some particular deity. It's not even worth fussing about such things.
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Does sin exist? Why or why not?

Please note: "Sin" in this context means a behavior (or lack of behavior) that offends a deity.
Peace be on you.
In unsullied human nature, sin is always repulsed by pure conconsious. Internal magnet tells. Right and wrong, positive negative exist, virtue and sin exist. .... Why sin exist? Because goodness exists. Why they both exist? Because a Law Maker made laws according to wisdom.....In US driving away on left side is sin against country's law while is UK it is sin to drive away on right side.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Personally, I think if there were a god, that god would be "big enough" not to be offended by things we do or don't do. And if that god were not "big enough", then I would not call it a god.

Like parents should be "big enough" as not to care about their children's behavior and for god
we're just a creation.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Does sin exist? Why or why not?

Please note: "Sin" in this context means a behavior (or lack of behavior) that offends a deity.

I'm pretty sure that there are deities that condone any and all behaviors. They may not be the most loving of deities, but they are out there. Therefore, sin itself does not exist.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Does sin exist? Why or why not?

Please note: "Sin" in this context means a behavior (or lack of behavior) that offends a deity.

Heathen (Ásatrú, Norse) deities can certainly be offended. The Lore shows a time or two when Thor and Freyr were so offended as to punish the offenders. That could certainly be construed as sin and punishment, but the way Heathens interact with the God/desses, that's extremely rare. The deities don't micro-manage, and usually only take notice of us when we call on them. Therefore it's pretty difficult to commit a sin, and I daresay 99.998% of Heathens don't believe in sin.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I'd just like to say that "sin" is pretty much an unworkable concept outside of monotheism. The moment you've got polytheism, absolutely everything and everything is a "sin" for some particular deity. It's not even worth fussing about such things.

Booyah!!! :)
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Does sin exist? Why or why not?

Please note: "Sin" in this context means a behavior (or lack of behavior) that offends a deity.
Well, there's the obvious answer, which is "it only exists if you believe there are deities to offend". But if I analyze the Ten Commandments in a secular way, it appears that a sin is any behavior that threatens group cohesion, causing conflict within the group.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
Personally, I think if there were a god, that god would be "big enough" not to be offended by things we do or don't do. And if that god were not "big enough", then I would not call it a god.
Christians understand God to be entirely good without the slightest impurity. His virtue and justice is total in such a way that we human beings cannot comprehend. As such, nothing which falls short of this total virtue can stand before God as any impurity, any lingering evil is incompatible with the direct experience of God's love. Sin is simply that which falls short of the moral virtue God demands of us, and as such it is punished in so far as to fall into sin is to lose salvific grace. Without cooperating with God, we cannot achieve the virtue otherwise required for salvation because no fallen human being is going to be perfect by their own power. If we cooperate, God takes our imperfections on to himself through the cross. (But you can reject that)

It is not so much that God is hurt by our sin, but that by being sinful one's will is turned away from God which if obstinate will result in the loss of the soul. God is merciful, but because he is so incomprehensibly good he is also unrelentingly just. Not the slightest unrepentant evil will go unaddressed, not because God is petty, but because he is so uncompromisingly good. If you die unrepentant of wilful sin, you cannot expect God to degrade his own justice and overlook it. Instead God will give you the very thing you want, an eternity without the experience of God where no hope, love or joy can possibly exist.

God is light brighter than all the stars. And those whose wills are determined to darkness will not be able to stand within that light. That is why sin is so damaging. Not because God's light is threatened, but because it makes us incompatible with God's light.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
The only thing that approaches what could be called sin in my religion is ignorance, especially willful ignorance/stupidity.
 

arthra

Baha'i
Regarding "sin" I read recently the following:


"If there was no wrong how would you recognize the right? If it were not for sin how would you appreciate virtue? If evil deeds were unknown how could you commend good actions? If sickness did not exist how would you understand health?"

(Abdu'l-Baha, Foundations of World Unity, p. 78)
 

Tiapan

Grumpy Old Man
As a totally Areligious Aussie the concept of sin really does not exist. We do however have Laws, unfortunately there are those odd few that exhibit extreme opportunistic behavior and we call them Criminals and their heaven is called Prison which happily accommodates those of all religions.

Cheers
 

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
"Sins" are merely those actions which you feel have most harmed your development and understanding. A gateway to pride through the cheap door of shame.
 
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