Is there such thing as a peaceful religion ?.

[psychoslice]

“f an Indian wolf is left near a Pakistani wolf, it will not harm the other, but to keep an Indian man near a Pakistani man is full of danger.” Osho

 

[psychoslice]

I really liked this quote, its just what I belive.
The very effort to convert anybody is violence; it is interfering in his individuality, in his uniqueness, into his freedom. ~ Osho

 

[LuisDantas]

Question could easily be "is there such a thing as a peaceful human".

Aren't religious supposed to make a difference in that regard?

I certainly recall some statements in that general direction.

People don't spare cars of judgement when they fail to help in transportation. Does it make any more sense to spare religions of judgement when they fail to promote peace?

 

[Estro Felino]

Question could easily be "is there such a thing as a peaceful human".

That's a very good question and I think that we can answer that, by saying that religions were created in order to deprive humans of the burden of choice.
It's very common tactic, present in almost all religions: humans' choices tend to be considered the result of a sinful nature (inferior to God's nature) that needs guidance from God himself.
Religions lose their meaning, once humans realize that deities have never existed, and all that happens on this planet is the direct result of people's free will.

Not in my religion, nor in several.

It is a common tactic that must be exposed and warded away, certainly.

But I think you are overselling how typical of religion as a whole it is.

I am surely overgeneralizing, but even in the most traditionally peaceful religions (the Eastern religions), the human nature is described in a slightly pessimistic way, as a nature victim of earthly desires that require purification rites, prescriptions, rules, etc, etc..
That's just my personal opinion, and an impression. In my opinion very few religions are really 100 % anthropocentric.

 

[Stevicus]

Is there such a thing as:
1) peaceful nationalism?
2) peaceful economics?
3) peaceful law enforcement?
4) peaceful science?
5) peaceful sports?

Are you a nationalist? Do you approve of certain kinds of economics? Do you support law and it's enforcement? Do you see great value in science and technology? Do you follow certain sports with passion?

Do you criticize each of these for the amount of violence they create in society? Why or why not?

I would criticize something if it failed to achieve its stated purpose or was unable/unwilling to live up to its own principles. I wouldn't criticize nationalism for not being peaceful, since that's not what nationalism is for. Nationalism is related to patriotism, or love of nation, so it can be criticized if it fails to do what is good for the nation (peaceful or not).

By the same token, an economic system can be criticized if it fails to bring about an efficient, productive economy. It wouldn't require that it be equitable or fair or even "peaceful," but it can be judged on how much it actually produces.

In other words, each of these areas can and will be judged according to how good of a job they do and what kind of results they produce, based on their own stated goals and principles. Whether or not it should be judged on how violent or peaceful it is would be based more on their own stated principles and overall purpose in society.

So, in terms of saving people's souls and reducing the amount of sin in this world, how good of a job is religion doing? Are they fulfilling their stated purpose and living up to their own principles? Have they been able to do so without using force or violence? If they're setting themselves up as God's representatives on Earth, should they not be judged on that basis?

 

[LuisDantas]

That's a very good question and I think that we can answer that, by saying that religions were created in order to deprive humans of the burden of choice.
It's very common tactic, present in almost all religions: humans' choices tend to be considered the result of a sinful nature (inferior to God's nature) that needs guidance from God himself.
Religions lose their meaning, once humans realize that deities have never existed, and all that happens on this planet is the direct result of people's free will.

It is a common tactic that must be exposed and warded away, certainly.

But I think you are overselling how typical of religion as a whole it is.

 

[Vinayaka]

It's very common tactic, present in almost all religions: humans' choices tend to be considered the result of a sinful nature (inferior to God's nature) that needs guidance from God himself.

Not in my religion, nor in several.

 

[idav]

Aren't religious supposed to make a difference in that regard?

I certainly recall some statements in that general direction.

People don't spare cars of judgement when they fail to help in transportation. Does it make any more sense to spare religions of judgement when they fail to promote peace?

No but it occurs to me that it easy to conflate the issue with religion. I'm not going to blame ford when a ford truck causes a death, I might say it was the driver, not that nobody knows how to drive fords.

 

[psychoslice]

No but it occurs to me that it easy to conflate the issue with religion. I'm not going to blame ford when a ford truck causes a death, I might say it was the driver, not that nobody knows how to drive fords.

But what if Ford gave instructions that were wrong for driving the truck, just as many scriptures has wrong instruction for living a peaceful life. Of course if there was wrong instructions for driving the truck, I would say they have been thrown away, but not with scripture, and there is a lot of horror in scripture, if given the chance people would be practicing today..

 

[LuisDantas]

No but it occurs to me that it easy to conflate the issue with religion. I'm not going to blame ford when a ford truck causes a death, I might say it was the driver, not that nobody knows how to drive fords.

I guess that means I support recalls when they are called for.

 

[idav]

But what if Ford gave instructions that were wrong for driving the truck, just as many scriptures has wrong instruction for living a peaceful life. Of course if there was wrong instructions for driving the truck, I would say they have been thrown away, but not with scripture, and there is a lot of horror in scripture, if given the chance people would be practicing today..

It's not someone else's fault if someone can't drive a truck but does anyway. Religions were developed as means of morality. It's also a big issue of education and learning how to actually read.

I guess that means I support recalls when they are called for.

Touché

 

[psychoslice]

It's not someone else's fault if someone can't drive a truck but does anyway. Religions were developed as means of morality. It's also a big issue of education and learning how to actually read.

Touché

That's interesting coming from the Quran, at least there is something nice within its pages, just as there are in the bible.

 

[psychoslice]

Not meaning to pick on any religion but how can a religion such as Christianity believe they are a religion of peace, with verses in their treasured scriptures such as the below ?.

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

These type of verses just go on and on, but most pretend there not there, they make up all sorts of excuses saying they are done away with, and yet god is said to never changes, what did he all of a sudden have a brain transplant ?.

 

[idav]

Not meaning to pick on any religion but how can a religion such as Christianity believe they are a religion of peace, with verses in their treasured scriptures such as the below ?.

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

These type of verses just go on and on, but most pretend there not there, they make up all sorts of excuses saying they are done away with, and yet god is said to never changes, what did he all of a sudden have a brain transplant ?.

One of the most interesting things about Judaism is that not only do they know most about religion, next to Athiests lol, than most religions but they happen to know not to take their own stuff literally. If they did they wouldn't mostly be believers in evolutiion almost as much as Buddhists tend to believe in evolution.
Mormons, atheists, Jews know the most about religion, study says | KSL.com
Acceptance of evolution by religious groups - Wikipedia

It is no wonder that Jews get a bit perturbed when christianity try and tell them how they should read their own religious scripts.

Even if christians want to take it literally Jesus himself kept referencing the Old Testament as a bunch of symbolism for his coming, not something literal even saying the law is summed up in love. It doesn't appear that all of Christians get that about the NT but most seem to at least. There are racial and bigoted takes on both sides of the political spectrum and therefore very little religious correlation at all. So it is very easy, when someone knows more than the average person about religion, that it is safe to take it not so literal.

Look at even this Muslim scholar owning this kid giving justification for Atheists being able to get to heaven. Knowledge is needed by more people about their religions and just knowledge in general really.

 

[psychoslice]

One of the most interesting things about Judaism is that not only do they know most about religion, next to Athiests lol, than most religions but they happen to know not to take their own stuff literally. If they did they wouldn't mostly be believers in evolutiion almost as much as Buddhists tend to believe in evolution.
Mormons, atheists, Jews know the most about religion, study says | KSL.com
Acceptance of evolution by religious groups - Wikipedia

It is no wonder that Jews get a bit perturbed when christianity try and tell them how they should read their own religious scripts.

Even if christians want to take it literally Jesus himself kept referencing the Old Testament as a bunch of symbolism for his coming, not something literal even saying the law is summed up in love. It doesn't appear that all of Christians get that about the NT but most seem to at least. There are racial and bigoted takes on both sides of the political spectrum and therefore very little religious correlation at all. So it is very easy, when someone knows more than the average person about religion, that it is safe to take it not so literal.

Look at even this Muslim scholar owning this kid giving justification for Atheists being able to get to heaven. Knowledge is needed by more people about their religions and just knowledge in general really.

Well atheist don't believe in a hell so it doesn't exist, its good to hear that Judaism don't take the evil words in their scriptures literal and so they shouldn't, well not in this day and age, yes and of course evolution sounds far better than any religious pipe dream, I actually fell embarrassed when discussing evolution with a creationist.

I just think that all religions should keep their beliefs to themselves and not shove it into the face of others, if they could just do that the world would be a fare better place.

 

[Notanumber]

That's interesting coming from the Quran, at least there is something nice within its pages, just as there are in the bible.

For clarification, this refers to the believers in Islam only.

Quran 49:10. The believers are nothing else than brothers (in Islamic religion). So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allah, that you may receive mercy.

There is more information here - Is the Quran Hate Propaganda?

 

[psychoslice]

For clarification, this refers to the believers in Islam only.

Quran 49:10. The believers are nothing else than brothers (in Islamic religion). So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allah, that you may receive mercy.

There is more information here - Is the Quran Hate Propaganda?

Sorry I have no time fore Islamic verses.

 

[Notanumber]

Sorry I have no time fore Islamic verses.

I wish we could all say the same.

 

[psychoslice]

I thought this segment was worth knowing, which I also agree with.

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[psychoslice]

Is there such thing as a peaceful religion ?