Cockadoodledoo
You’re going to get me!
This reality in which we find ourselves, is this Hell?
And if so, why do you think you're here?
And if so, why do you think you're here?
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Is this Hell?
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Jeremiahcp
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No, this is not Hell it just feels that way sometimes.
Are you asking about the nature of hell in the Christian tradition and also the nature of human existence? What is it you wish to debate?
leibowde84
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No. I don't see any reason to think that. No evidence whatsoever to support it. But, I'm all ears if you have some.
In other words, propositions should not be believed simply because they are possible without supporting evidence.
Cockadoodledoo
You’re going to get me!
My mum once said that she thinks this (universe, I suppose) is Hell.
I just want to get your ideas I guess.
Erebus
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I can certainly accept the concept of a Hell on Earth. The atrocities of the Holocaust for example could be viewed as such, as could the grief of somebody who lost a child.
I get the impression though that what you're going for is whether the sum total of reality is Hell and that therefore there must be another reality which is not. While I definitely view the world as more cruel than kind, I don't believe that this is a world designed to punish its inhabitants. Both the bad and the good are simply the way things are.
I get the impression though that what you're going for is whether the sum total of reality is Hell and that therefore there must be another reality which is not. While I definitely view the world as more cruel than kind, I don't believe that this is a world designed to punish its inhabitants. Both the bad and the good are simply the way things are.
There are several ways of looking at it, but I am going to guess that your mom is saying that she believes in her mortality. Lets say that hell is the gap between what should happen and what does happen. Call it injustice or imbalance if you like. Doesn't it feel like wrongs ought to be righted, sometimes? Well that is a feeling that most people share.
When your mom says that this is hell she's going toward the philosophical end of the spectrum. In a way she's saying there's no justice but that which we make. That is, every choice she makes is like a 3-way fork in the road. 1. Do nothing 2. Make things worse 3. Make things better. Either she turns in on herself and becomes depressed about injustice, or she takes advantage of the power of injustice to gain at others expense, or she aims for glory and heroism, or there is some combination of the three.
yes. absolutely. I think the totally arbitrary and unnecessary cruelty may have given it away.
Sometimes.
Generally because of something stupid on my part.
