You mean [he] hopes there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know, and [he] hopes [he] didn't spring into being, memories and all, last Thursday.
Yes, that's about the best [he] can hope for.
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Is this Proof of Lord?
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Yes, that's about the best [he] can hope for.
questfortruth
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No. I repeat: it is a miracle, not a human's hope. If human is hoping for validity of A, then he does not know validity of A. But God knows. Hence, it is miraculous!
The only hope gods have are human hopes. They're human artifacts, after all.
TagliatelliMonster
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TagliatelliMonster
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, that is an absolute statement, which is not so, if you are a skeptic. The really correct, rational, objective, sane and so on answer is that we don't know.
questfortruth
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Does God agree with your Yes?
What we don't know is any meaningful definition of a god with objective existence. That is, we have no concept of what "real god" could mean, and we have no reason to think it means anything, since "god" is only known to exist as an idea / concept.No, that is an absolute statement, which is not so, if you are a skeptic. The really correct, rational, objective, sane and so on answer is that we don't know.
questfortruth
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A tree in a forest is present, existing, visible, and alive.
A brick in a wall is present, exists, visible, and non-living.
Dark Matter and Dark Energy are present and exist; however,
they are invisible [they are not yet detectable by direct contact
with underground detectors] and non-living. A person's soul is
present and existent, invisible [because a surgeon cannot see
it during surgery], and alive [we feel self-awareness].
Augusto Pinochet's demonic soul is present in the past days
but should be classified as non-existent [because Augusto has
lost the God-given right to exist], invisible, non-living.
Captain Nemo (in the novel by Joule Verne) is not present out
there in the oceans, but he well exists [because a good thing
has the right to exist]. Professor Moriarty (a fictional evil character
in Conan Doyle's books) is non-present and non-existent.
A brick in a wall is present, exists, visible, and non-living.
Dark Matter and Dark Energy are present and exist; however,
they are invisible [they are not yet detectable by direct contact
with underground detectors] and non-living. A person's soul is
present and existent, invisible [because a surgeon cannot see
it during surgery], and alive [we feel self-awareness].
Augusto Pinochet's demonic soul is present in the past days
but should be classified as non-existent [because Augusto has
lost the God-given right to exist], invisible, non-living.
Captain Nemo (in the novel by Joule Verne) is not present out
there in the oceans, but he well exists [because a good thing
has the right to exist]. Professor Moriarty (a fictional evil character
in Conan Doyle's books) is non-present and non-existent.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
Atheists classify god precisely as the Theists classify
satan and vice versa. But the Atheists are making the second
colossal mistake: they attribute to him the non-presence.
Let us not confuse the presence with existence, please!
satan and vice versa. But the Atheists are making the second
colossal mistake: they attribute to him the non-presence.
Let us not confuse the presence with existence, please!
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
I classify gods like I classify Darth Vader. Characters in stories.