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Is Trump Fascist Leaning?

Stevicus

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First if all, let me use a non-partisan source, and that is Wikipedia, starting out with its definition of "fascism":
Fascism... is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

Here are some of its characteristics:
According to many scholars, fascism – especially once in power – has historically attacked communism, conservatism, and parliamentary liberalism, attracting support primarily from the far-right.

One common definition of the term, frequently cited by reliable sources as a standard definition, is that of historian Stanley G. Payne. He focuses on three concepts:

  1. the "fascist negations": anti-liberalism, anti-communism, and anti-conservatism [Trump is clearly not a conservative];
  2. "fascist goals": the creation of a nationalist dictatorship to regulate economic structure and to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture, and the expansion of the nation into an empire; and
  3. "fascist style": a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence, and promotion of masculinity, youth, and charismatic authoritarian leadership...
Most scholars place fascism on the far right of the political spectrum. Such scholarship focuses on its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism. Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right by explaining: "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be"...

Fascism promotes the establishment of a totalitarian state. It opposes liberal democracy, rejects multi-party systems and may support a one-party state so that it may synthesize with the nation...

Fascism presented itself as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. While fascism opposed mainstream socialism, it sometimes regarded itself as a type of nationalist "socialism" to highlight their commitment to national solidarity and unity. Fascists opposed international free market capitalism, but supported a type of productive capitalism. Economic self-sufficiency, known as autarky, was a major goal of most fascist governments...

Fascists criticized egalitarianism as preserving the weak, and they instead promoted social Darwinist views and policies. They were in principle opposed to the idea of social welfare, arguing that it "encouraged the preservation of the degenerate and the feeble."...

I consider fascism and capitalism as related to each other in that both heavily embrace social Darwinism and the idea that only the strong should survive. Both believe that the underclass and/or the weak in their society are inferior and deserve to be in the position they're in.

In some ways, capitalists are even more cruel and sadistic than fascists, since at least fascists tend to give their victims a quick death, putting them out of their misery quickly. Capitalists would just throw people out in the cold to die a slow, lingering, painful, agonizing death in the streets (or in the US healthcare system). And some people would even consider that "more humane." Go figure.

One of the most common and strongest criticisms of fascism is that it is a tyranny.[258] Fascism is deliberately and entirely non-democratic and anti-democratic...

Some critics of Italian fascism have said that much of the ideology was merely a by-product of unprincipled opportunism by Mussolini and that he changed his political stances merely to bolster his personal ambitions while he disguised them as being purposeful to the public...

The basis of fascism's support of violent action in politics is connected to social Darwinism. Fascist movements have commonly held social Darwinist views of nations, races and societies. They say that nations and races must purge themselves of socially and biologically weak or degenerate people, while simultaneously promoting the creation of strong people, in order to survive in a world defined by perpetual national and racial conflict...

Economic planning was applied to both the public and private sector and the prosperity of private enterprise depended on its acceptance of synchronizing itself with the economic goals of the state. Fascist economic ideology supported the profit motive, but emphasized that industries must uphold the national interest as superior to private profit...


Now, am I just spouting hyperbole here? Not according to Trump's first wife Ivana, who wrote that he kept NAZI essays on the table next to his bed and that he read them regularly. Trump also wrote in his book "the Art of the Deal that his father taught him that they were descendants of German "warriors and kings" and that he should always remember that. Roy Cohen, of Red Scare notoriety, whom Trump and his father hired to represent them, said that he should always move offensively and never apologize for anything as the latter is a sign of weakness. Trump even admitted that Cohn has had a major influence on him, and one should rather easily see that in his behavior.

One final thing, namely that fascist leaders tended to go in that direction gradually, often using ultra-nationalism and stereotyping and demonizing certain groups, while at the same time claiming that they were defending the religious faith of the country and that they would make the country great again. IOW, the successful ones were excellent at pandering.

So, whaddya think?

One thing that should be noted here is that the US itself has a history of violent action against those they considered socially or biologically weak. We have a history of fascist-leaning policies and practices in this country (even if we now pay lip service to denouncing them today). So, if Trump has fascist-leaning tendencies, it's because America has had fascist-leaning tendencies in the past. It's from that latent idea which is still apparently present (to some degree) in the American political consciousness that Trump derives a good deal of his support base.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
First if all, let me use a non-partisan source, and that is Wikipedia, starting out with its definition of "fascism":
Fascism... is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

Here are some of its characteristics:
According to many scholars, fascism – especially once in power – has historically attacked communism, conservatism, and parliamentary liberalism, attracting support primarily from the far-right.

One common definition of the term, frequently cited by reliable sources as a standard definition, is that of historian Stanley G. Payne. He focuses on three concepts:

  1. the "fascist negations": anti-liberalism, anti-communism, and anti-conservatism [Trump is clearly not a conservative];
  2. "fascist goals": the creation of a nationalist dictatorship to regulate economic structure and to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture, and the expansion of the nation into an empire; and
  3. "fascist style": a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence, and promotion of masculinity, youth, and charismatic authoritarian leadership...
Most scholars place fascism on the far right of the political spectrum. Such scholarship focuses on its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism. Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right by explaining: "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be"...

Fascism promotes the establishment of a totalitarian state. It opposes liberal democracy, rejects multi-party systems and may support a one-party state so that it may synthesize with the nation...

Fascism presented itself as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. While fascism opposed mainstream socialism, it sometimes regarded itself as a type of nationalist "socialism" to highlight their commitment to national solidarity and unity. Fascists opposed international free market capitalism, but supported a type of productive capitalism. Economic self-sufficiency, known as autarky, was a major goal of most fascist governments...

Fascists criticized egalitarianism as preserving the weak, and they instead promoted social Darwinist views and policies. They were in principle opposed to the idea of social welfare, arguing that it "encouraged the preservation of the degenerate and the feeble."...

One of the most common and strongest criticisms of fascism is that it is a tyranny.[258] Fascism is deliberately and entirely non-democratic and anti-democratic...

Some critics of Italian fascism have said that much of the ideology was merely a by-product of unprincipled opportunism by Mussolini and that he changed his political stances merely to bolster his personal ambitions while he disguised them as being purposeful to the public...

The basis of fascism's support of violent action in politics is connected to social Darwinism. Fascist movements have commonly held social Darwinist views of nations, races and societies. They say that nations and races must purge themselves of socially and biologically weak or degenerate people, while simultaneously promoting the creation of strong people, in order to survive in a world defined by perpetual national and racial conflict...

Economic planning was applied to both the public and private sector and the prosperity of private enterprise depended on its acceptance of synchronizing itself with the economic goals of the state. Fascist economic ideology supported the profit motive, but emphasized that industries must uphold the national interest as superior to private profit...


Now, am I just spouting hyperbole here? Not according to Trump's first wife Ivana, who wrote that he kept NAZI essays on the table next to his bed and that he read them regularly. Trump also wrote in his book "the Art of the Deal that his father taught him that they were descendants of German "warriors and kings" and that he should always remember that. Roy Cohen, of Red Scare notoriety, whom Trump and his father hired to represent them, said that he should always move offensively and never apologize for anything as the latter is a sign of weakness. Trump even admitted that Cohn has had a major influence on him, and one should rather easily see that in his behavior.

One final thing, namely that fascist leaders tended to go in that direction gradually, often using ultra-nationalism and stereotyping and demonizing certain groups, while at the same time claiming that they were defending the religious faith of the country and that they would make the country great again. IOW, the successful ones were excellent at pandering.

So, whaddya think?
Classical, strict definition fascism, only tangentially. Authoritarian wannabe dictator? Absolutely.
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
Can you think of something that Trump actually enacted through policy that would be conducent with fascism?

I hate fascism as much as socialism btw.
Xenophobia against even legal immigrants.

The new lowering of the number of (genuine and legal) refugees to be given sanctuary/admitted to the U.S. down to only 18,000 per year, the lowest ever --
e.g.

President Donald Trump has signed off on a plan that would continue a dramatic drop in the number of refugees taken in by the U.S. to no more than 18,000 in fiscal year 2020.
...In the last full year of the Obama administration, the refugee ceiling was 85,000. This year, the Trump administration set the limit at 30,000. That number was the lowest since the modern resettlement program's creation in 1980.

Trump approves plan to cap refugees at 18,000 in 2020

A cap of zero was one proposal --

"Another option, proposed by a top administration official, would reduce refugee admissions to zero, while leaving the president with the ability to admit some in an emergency."
Trump Administration Considers a Drastic Cut in Refugees Allowed to Enter U.S.


More or less, you could say it's cancel that old wording from the Statue of Liberty:

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

Cancel that, and distrust them. The same poor immigrants that have worked hard over the centuries and made America great, we now are suppose to fear and keep out, see.
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

“Give me your hungry, your tired your poor I'll **** on 'em
that's what the Statue of Bigotry says
Your poor huddled masses, let's club 'em to death
and get it over with and just dump 'em on the boulevard“

Lou Reed, ‘Dirty Boulevarde’
 
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