whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
A lesser of two evils argument.
http://townhall.com/columnists/wayn...onald-trump-is-a-morally-good-choice-n2199564
http://townhall.com/columnists/wayn...onald-trump-is-a-morally-good-choice-n2199564
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Is Wayne Grudem right in his position that voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice?
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He sounds reasonable from his perspective.
He even makes a good case for me to vote against Trump.
But I don't think the social conservatism the author seeks
will come to pass under Trump.
Perhaps it is the lesser of two evils to vote for Trump.
Voting Killary is the greater of the evils.
As revoltingest indicates.
"Nope and Noper."
That about sums it up.
I feel Trump will do what he's done in business to make himself successful.
Hire the best of the best as advisers and administrators.
I DO believe he has the best interests of this Country at heart.
Voting Killary is the greater of the evils.
As revoltingest indicates.
"Nope and Noper."
That about sums it up.
I feel Trump will do what he's done in business to make himself successful.
Hire the best of the best as advisers and administrators.
I DO believe he has the best interests of this Country at heart.
Americans... always joking about serious matters.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Is a "morally good choice" one who constantly demeans anyone he disagrees with, calls people names, belittles a handicapped man by mocking him, says he'd use "carpet bombing" techniques against ISIS that would kill large numbers of civilians, has said he would not "take nukes off the table" when dealing with them, has made religiously-bigoted statements, etc., etc., etc.
Gee, I'm really wondering where this guy gets his "morality" from? Is it now found in a Happy Meal at McDonalds?
Gee, I'm really wondering where this guy gets his "morality" from? Is it now found in a Happy Meal at McDonalds?
Sometimes we're serious about joking matters too.
Looking forward for such a thread.
Beats me. Apparently not for his moral discernment.
Thanks for sharing. It's interesting to read stuff that is actually pro-Trump. I think it really depends on how you evaluate the role of Christianity in the US and understand the establishment clause in the First Amendment. Quite a lot of what was said in the article made me uncomfortable because it borders on theocratic by turning the US into an all but "Christian Nation". The arguments against Clinton are based on saying she is pushing a secular agenda to enforce a wall of separation between Church and State, confining it to the individual and private sphere (and treating that as Anti-Religious).
I'm not a Christian, but if I felt that Christianity should have a public role- that would make me pause for thought. However, as other posters have said, Trump is SO bad that unless you have an existential fear of a nation losing its soul which you cannot be talked out of, voting Trump is a really bad idea. It really depends on your priorities.
Oh, we have one fairly active one.
Have you heard about Trump's joke that Russian hackers should find Hillary's 'lost' emails?
Some partisans are all atwitter over prosecuting him for treason over it.
Really.....ya just can't make this stuff up!
Underhill
Well-Known Member
I'm sorry but past presidents who were vastly better men were destroyed for doing much less than this man. He represents everything that is wrong with this country.
Clinton is a flawed person with some issues I disagree with. Trump is about as far from moral and decent as a human being can get. I don't see how he can be the moral choice for anyone. Make a list of attributes a president should have, and he has few of them.
He isn't honest. He isn't humble. He is quick to anger. He is judgmental. He shows no compassion. He is a braggart. I don't even know if he has a moral compass.
He has serious flaws, not just in what he believes (if you can figure out what that is) but in who he has become. he may be a strong leader, but where he would lead us I hate to think. Trump is a Kardashian working at a used car lot.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Good point!
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I have to admit that I'm with you on some of these sentiments. A wonderful conservative commentator, Bill Whittle, once said about Trump, "He says a few things that have you nodding in agreement and then he comes out with something that almost makes you snap a vertebrae (as you shake you head in disbelief at what you've just heard)." But then I look over at the disaster that is Hillary and just shiver at the prospect of her being POTUS.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Um no. Just no.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm certainly no Hillary fan, so to me it has boiled down to a "lesser of the two evils", and the thought of a Trump presidency simply is way too nightmarish to me.
Cassandra
Active Member
My view:
I think this is a wonderful opportunity to see what people are really made off.
We see people bend over backwards to defend their choice for a totally morally deprived person like Trump. And their favorite excuse is: "Hillary is worse". And they come with the most nonsensical arguments like Hillary being a accomplish in the indiscretions of her husband rather than a victim.
I think that is how you can recognize egocentric people, they can always justify themselves and rationalize their behavior, but on closer look, it does not hold up.
I do not think it is such a surprise a person like Trump can triomf in the US. It is a country build on genocide and slavery and has a large portion of people that still live in the lower realms of civilization and consciousness. People that republicans know how to resonate with by tapping into their lower emotions. That is why we only hear negativity all the time.
If is really interesting to see how thin the layer is of American civilization and how easy people flock to an totally unfeeling, megalomaniac. I guess that a people gets what it deserves. In this election we will see the true colors of America.
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Underhill
Well-Known Member
I agree wholeheartedly with one exception. You make it sound like this is only the case in America. It just isn't.