Is Wayne Grudem right in his position that voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice?

[YmirGF]

If is really interesting to see how thin the layer is of American civilization and how easy people flock to an totally unfeeling, megalomaniac. I guess that a people gets what it deserves. In this election we will see the true colors of America.

I feel your pain, but even though I think she is absolutely unqualified to be POTUS, I'm not sure I would describe her as a totally unfeeling megalomaniac.
But, yes, the people will elect the leader they deserve.

 

[Revoltingest]

I feel your pair....

!!!

 

[columbus]

!!!

I'm glad someone else made fun of that so I didn't have to
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

We see people bend over backwards to defend their choice for a totally morally deprived person like Trump. And their favorite excuse is: "Hillary is worse".

Perhaps you don't understand our system.
The Big Two's candidates are the only ones who can win the election for president (& veep).
Despite the existence of 3rd parties, the only way our vote can possibly count is if we pick one of the two.
This will be either Donald or Hilda.
If a voter believes one to be worse than the other, then picking the other is reasonable.
This is a "reason", not an "excuse".
(If English isn't your native language, this is a useful distinction to know.)

I know you find Hillary the only acceptable candidate, but you must realize that your opinion is not inerrant truth.
Reasonable people will disagree, & will consider factors which matter to them more than to you.

Btw, when you used the term "unfeeling megalomaniac", which candidate were you referring to?
(That's as ambiguous as saying "the white one".)

 

[YmirGF]

!!!

Oh jeez, that was funny. I had a Bill Clinton moment....

*runs off to make appointment with doctor*

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh jeez, that was funny. I had a Bill Clinton moment....
*runs off to make appointment with doctor*

I'll warn your interns.

 

[Revoltingest]

.....even though I think she is absolutely unqualified to be POTUS, I'm not sure I would describe her as a totally unfeeling megalomaniac.

Too many effectively turn the judgement lobe of their brain off when demonizing a candidate this way.
I won't vote against Hilda or Donny because I hate them or believe them evil.
I'll vote against them because of their agendas, abilities, & ultimately the net
effect that they'll have in office (an admittedly difficult thing to predict).

I plan to vote for Trump. But I'll keep my options open.
It pays to continually think about things.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Popular or not, Trump's honesty lies in his openness of opinion, fearless of criticism or potential failure, and not hiding under any
vineer of practiced political "charm" wooing people by simply telling them what they want to hear, while keeping their own feelings and opinions under a veil of secrecy.

An open Trump serves better than a closed Hillary.

 

[Cassandra]

Perhaps you don't understand our system.
The Big Two's candidates are the only ones who can win the election for president (& veep).
Despite the existence of 3rd parties, the only way our vote can possibly count is if we pick one of the two.
This will be either Donald or Hilda.
If a voter believes one to be worse than the other, then picking the other is reasonable.
This is a "reason", not an "excuse".
(If English isn't your native language, this is a useful distinction to know.)

I know you find Hillary the only acceptable candidate, but you must realize that your opinion is not inerrant truth.
Reasonable people will disagree, & will consider factors which matter to them more than to you.

Btw, when you used the term "unfeeling megalomaniac", which candidate were you referring to?
(That's as ambiguous as saying "the white one".)

I perfectly understand. Trump was not one two candidates but one of the many candidates that overwhelming won the pre-elections because a large group of Americans do mind having a lowlife for president. They actually like him and his ideas.

Another absurd argument: I can not vote according to my conscience because then Hillary will win the election. Sure your vote will be the one that made difference.

Interesting question: Are people voting for Trump really that simple or just pretending to be?

 

[Cassandra]

Popular or not, Trump's honesty lies in his openness of opinion, fearless of criticism or potential failure, and not hiding under any
vineer of practiced political "charm" wooing people by simply telling them what they want to hear, while keeping their own feelings and opinions under a veil of secrecy.

An open Trump serves better than a closed Hillary.

Honesty and Trump in the same sentence.
Wow that creates a whole new roam of possibilities for the concept

Yes, when the evil get honest, that is when the last and most thin layer of civilization is peeled off, and the evil show their evil in all openness. Though it may seem that clarity is better, that is when people in power lose all brakes.

 

[Revoltingest]

I perfectly understand. Trump was not one two candidates but one of the many candidates that overwhelming won the pre-elections because Americans do mind to have a lowlife for president. They actually like him and his ideas.

Very much of Trump's support is really just to avoid Hilda.
And as things now stand, it's one or the other.

Another absurd argument: I can not vote according to my conscience because then Hillary will win the election. Sure your vote will be one that made difference.

Interesting question: Are people voting for Trump really that simple or just pretending to be?

They could be simple or pretending.
But there's another option....
Perhaps many Trump voters have a more complex understanding than you realize?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Honesty and Trump in the same sentence.
Wow that creates a whole new roam of possibilities for the concept

Yes, when the evil get honest, that is when the last and most thin layer of civilization is peeled off, and the evil show their evil in all openness. Though it may seem that clarity is better, that is when people in power lose all brakes.

So....

What evil exactly did Trump do?

Trump is honest because he's open and not cautious hiding his feelings and opinions. He says what he says. Popular or not.

Hillary on the other hand , very private, coached demeanor. Closed door kind of person. Appears coached.

Who's the honest one?

 

[Cassandra]

Very much of Trump's support is really just to avoid Hilda.
And as thins now stand, it's one or the other.

They could be simple or pretending.
But there's another option....
Perhaps many Trump voters have a more complex understanding than you realize?

You again overlook that they they overwhelmingly and freely voted Trump to be their republican representative. Nor does any one hold a pistol to their head to vote for either one of them.

You mean republicans are masters at hiding their complex understanding by parroting Hillary hate? An interesting thought. I personally do not think it is that complicated, there is no evidence for such a thing. That they however believe in their own deeper understanding is something I will readily believe.

So....

What evil exactly did Trump do?

Trump is honest because he's open and not cautious hiding his feelings and opinions. He says what he says. Popular or not.

Hillary on the other hand , very private, coached demeanor. Closed door kind of person. Appears coached.

Who's the honest one?

That is the problem, not being able to see right from wrong. Yes the evil do their best to create this confusion, and simple folks fall in their nets.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What a stupid article that was.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That is the problem, not being able to see right from wrong. Yes the evil do their best to create this confusion, and simple folks fall in their nets.

Well it's pretty apparent what's been wrong the last two terms under the Democrats watch. ;0)

A lot of confusion for sure, and us simple folks falling more and more into frustration and in cases dispair.


Like Rev indicated, Hillary is the reason people back up Trump in, once again, a lesser of two evils scenario with no alternative choices.

On that note, I think there is even more to this.

The fact that Trump incenses people in his own party as well as Democrats, is very telling of a man that is focused and concerned at the expense of popularity among peers, for which it presents a new refreshing "third option".

As I see it, a potential exists for across the board reform, a shake up, and a welcome disruption to the status quo and business as usual that is all but plaguing and quite literally destroying our country and way of life.

That alone is worth the shot imo and seems a good number of enraged "simple folk" are picking up on that.

 

[Revoltingest]

You again overlook that they they overwhelmingly and freely voted Trump to be their republican representative. Nor does any one hold a pistol to their head to vote for either one of them.

No, I'm aware of those things.
But I address the fact that as he became the alternative to Hilda, his support increased.
I'd never have been willing to vote for him otherwise.
This is true for many others too.

You mean republicans are masters at hiding their complex understanding by parroting Hillary hate? An interesting thought. I personally do not think it is that complicated, there is no evidence for such a thing. That they however believe in their own deeper understanding is something I will readily believe.

There's no diplomatic way to put this.....
You over-estimate your own understanding, & underestimate ours.

That is the problem, not being able to see right from wrong. Yes the evil do their best to create this confusion, and simple folks fall in their nets.

We all have different ideas of what is right & what is wrong.
Further complicating matters, is the difficulty in predicting just what each would effect as prez.
Either could be great.
Either could bring about WW3.

 

[Milton Platt]

A lesser of two evils argument.
http://townhall.com/columnists/wayn...onald-trump-is-a-morally-good-choice-n2199564

If you are worried about morality, you are looking at the wrong political system, sad to say. Not that there is better, though. Frankly, there needs to be a third option at the voting booth which is "none of the above".

 

[whirlingmerc]

Personally, I think both VP's would be better choices.