Is Yahweh A Liar? Yes, He Is. I Can Prove It.

[Clara Tea]

Presumptions: God is perfect, bible is word of God given to psychics by divine power, but the bible was rewritten by kings and popes. So, the current bible is wrong.

 

[We Never Know]

Yahweh is okay when he makes grand sweeping prophecies that he will do things that are described in vague opaque terms like, "And I will bring forth great suffering on the inhabitants of the earth for they have done evil in my sight. I the Lord have spoken." Well, duh! We've seen people suffering every day since hominids stood upright. But when Yahweh gets real specific then he has a way of tripping all over himself.

Yahweh lied to no less than three prophets in the Old Testament that he would dry up the Nile river and he never did.

"I will dry up the streams of the Nile and sell the land to evil men; by the hand of foreigners I will lay waste the land and everything in it. I the LORD have spoken." Ezekiel 30:12

Never happened.

"...the river shall be wasted and dried up. The fishermen will groan and lament, all who cast hooks into the Nile." Isaiah 19:5,8

Never happened.

"They shall pass through the sea of Egypt, and the waves of the sea shall be smitten and all the depth of the Nile dried up." Zechariah 10:11

The Nile never dried up.

Christians invent all sorts of excuses for God's failure to keep his word. One says, "Well, these are metaphoric. God means he will figuratively dry up the Nile." What???? Another says, "Well, God is really saying that he will dry up the tributaries of the Nile, not the Nile itself."

To that I have a very succinct explanation of why that is erroneous:

The original Hebrew text simply uses the plural form of the word for "Nile" (Ye'or), hence literally the "Niles", likely referring to the various stretches of the river, or the Blue Nile and the White Nile that at one point run together. The plural "Niles" cannot be stretched to mean mere tributaries that would not be considered part of the Nile proper at all. A few other respected translations make this passage a bit more clear:

• "I will dry up the waters of the Nile and sell the land to an evil nation. I the LORD have spoken," New International Version
• "I will dry up the Nile River and sell the land to wicked men. I, the LORD, have spoken!" New Living Translation

Then there's always that old chestnut any apologist can fall back on when all else fails.

"It's a future prophecy yet to be fulfilled."

Come on!

In harsh and arid seasons and droughts the Blue Nile dries out completely. The flow of the Blue Nile varies considerably over its yearly cycle and is the main contribution to the large natural variation of the Nile flow.

 

[nPeace]

Yahweh is okay when he makes grand sweeping prophecies that he will do things that are described in vague opaque terms like, "And I will bring forth great suffering on the inhabitants of the earth for they have done evil in my sight. I the Lord have spoken." Well, duh! We've seen people suffering every day since hominids stood upright. But when Yahweh gets real specific then he has a way of tripping all over himself.

Yahweh lied to no less than three prophets in the Old Testament that he would dry up the Nile river and he never did.

"I will dry up the streams of the Nile and sell the land to evil men; by the hand of foreigners I will lay waste the land and everything in it. I the LORD have spoken." Ezekiel 30:12

Never happened.

"...the river shall be wasted and dried up. The fishermen will groan and lament, all who cast hooks into the Nile." Isaiah 19:5,8

Never happened.

"They shall pass through the sea of Egypt, and the waves of the sea shall be smitten and all the depth of the Nile dried up." Zechariah 10:11

The Nile never dried up.

Christians invent all sorts of excuses for God's failure to keep his word. One says, "Well, these are metaphoric. God means he will figuratively dry up the Nile." What???? Another says, "Well, God is really saying that he will dry up the tributaries of the Nile, not the Nile itself."

To that I have a very succinct explanation of why that is erroneous:

The original Hebrew text simply uses the plural form of the word for "Nile" (Ye'or), hence literally the "Niles", likely referring to the various stretches of the river, or the Blue Nile and the White Nile that at one point run together. The plural "Niles" cannot be stretched to mean mere tributaries that would not be considered part of the Nile proper at all. A few other respected translations make this passage a bit more clear:

• "I will dry up the waters of the Nile and sell the land to an evil nation. I the LORD have spoken," New International Version
• "I will dry up the Nile River and sell the land to wicked men. I, the LORD, have spoken!" New Living Translation

Then there's always that old chestnut any apologist can fall back on when all else fails.

"It's a future prophecy yet to be fulfilled."

Come on!

I guess you would know.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

I guess you would know.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

In harsh and arid seasons and droughts the Blue Nile dries out completely. The flow of the Blue Nile varies considerably over its yearly cycle and is the main contribution to the large natural variation of the Nile flow.

Then it's not a judgment, is it. It's God recognizing a natural phenomenon.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Presumptions: God is perfect, bible is word of God given to psychics by divine power, but the bible was rewritten by kings and popes. So, the current bible is wrong.

I couldn't agree more, Clara. Who knows how the Bible originally read? All we have to go on is what the current translations say.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Here's an example of a prophecy that I would think would be transparent and easily detected:

* Written by a Jewish prophet living in Babylon during the 500s BCE, perhaps Ezekiel.
* written in unambiguous terms, such as "In the 15th year of the Roman Emperor Tiberius, a man named Joshua, son of Joseph, from a small village in Galilee called Nazareth, will begin preaching. Just before Passover in the next year, he will be executed by the Romans."
* it would have to be recorded in such a way that it could not have been written later (say, a hundred years after Jesus' lifetime); and the prophecy's age, dating back to the 500s, cannot be questioned. For example, the prophecy would be written in a document clearly dated to the time of its origin, and it is discovered under controlled archaeological conditions during the modern era...say, tomorrow.

Just my thoughts...

Unfortunately we find no such thing in the Bible. Oh well....

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Not unless we have entered the end times.
I believe we have entered the end times and we are still in them, so many prophecies have been fulfilled and others are yet to be fulfilled during this age, the Messianic Age.

Unfortunately, other parts of the Nile prophecy say Egypt will be desolate and its people will be scattered across the earth.

Never happened.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Why would you be shocked, the OT is a layer cake of ancient history, redactions, edits and additions. After the fall of the 1st Temple and the destruction of Israel's nationalist ego, the Israelite priest class completely recast their history in Babylon. They converted a relatively ordinary secular history into a miraculous fiction. Secular history books mentioned in the OT vanished. The burning of the Library at Alexandria destroyed any hope of a window into that age.

It demonstrates quite a bit of enlightenment on your part. I'm rather pleased.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"...the river shall be wasted and dried up. The fishermen will groan and lament, all who cast hooks into the Nile." Isaiah 19:5,8
Never happened.

@SeekingAllTruth , If the river has all dried up, why would anyone cast hooks in the sand? A contradiction there.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

There are already endless different interpretations. That's what makes theology endless fun for those who enjoy debate.

The Bible itself is against literalism:
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Because not everything in translation is literally true does not make it false. If Moses crossed the Reed Sea as a piece of research indicated and not the Red Sea, does that automatically make the entire Bible false?

Thought-provoking comment.

 

[Trailblazer]

Unfortunately, other parts of the Nile prophecy say Egypt will be desolate and its people will be scattered across the earth.

Never happened.

Well, I am not familiar with that prophecy, maybe you can share it.
Remember, I am not that familiar with the Bible as you are.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

@SeekingAllTruth , If the river has all dried up, why would anyone cast hooks in the sand? A contradiction there.

I think it's just flowery language typical of sacred writings. Don't look for any common sense in it, just poetry.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think it's just flowery language typical of sacred writings. Don't look for any common sense in it, just poetry.

No, it is just God trying to test people, He is good at that.
And the sheep go one way, the goats another... gotta love that Jesus!

 

[Aupmanyav]

No, we do not know that. That was merely the claim in the Bible. Jesus, if he did exist, was probably left on the cross.

Would not his mother will want him to be buried? I so not think that there was any law which decreed that people who die by crucifiction should not be touched. BTW, what was Joseph doing all this time? Was he not Jesus' step-father? Did he not have any responsibility towards Jesus?

In harsh and arid seasons and droughts the Blue Nile dries out completely. The flow of the Blue Nile varies considerably over its yearly cycle and is the main contribution to the large natural variation of the Nile flow.

If it is a normal weather cycle then why should Yahweh boast about it as SeekingAllTruth said?

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Well, I am not familiar with that prophecy, maybe you can share it.
Remember, I am not that familiar with the Bible as you are.

Certainly. Here's the full prophecy:

In the tenth year, in the tenth month, in the twelfth day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Pharaoh king of Egypt, and prophesy against him, and against all Egypt: Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself. But I will put hooks in thy jaws, and I will cause the fish of thy rivers to stick unto thy scales, and I will bring thee up out of the midst of thy rivers, and all the fish of thy rivers shall stick unto thy scales. And I will leave thee thrown into the wilderness, thee and all the fish of thy rivers: thou shalt fall upon the open fields; thou shalt not be brought together, nor gathered: I have given thee for meat to the beasts of the field and to the fowls of the heaven. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee. And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it. Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries. Yet thus saith the Lord GOD; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered: And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom. It shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations.

God sets out a checklist of specific events that will occur:

1. Egypt and everything from the tower of Syene to Ethiopia will be desolate and waste
2. God will own the Nile
3. No humans will walk through Egypt
4. No animals will walk through Egypt
5. Nobody will live in Egypt for 40 years
6. Egyptians will leave Egypt and be scattered among other nations
7. After 40 years of scattering, Egypt will be repopulated by the scattered Egyptians
8. Egypt will be a weak kingdom, and will never control "the nations"

Never happened.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

No, it is just God trying to test people, He is good at that.
And the sheep go one way, the goats another... gotta love that Jesus!

Test people's patience, you mean?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Would not his mother will want him to be buried? I so not think that there was any law which decreed that people who die by crucifiction should not be touched. BTW, what was Joseph doing all this time? Was he not Jesus' step-father? Did he not have any responsibility towards Jesus?If it is a normal weather cycle then why should Yahweh boast about it as SeekingAllTruth said?

He was crucified by the Romans. Part of the punishment was leaving the bodies up there as an object lesson to others. It was a very gruesome and cruel world back then.

 

[Trailblazer]

Certainly. Here's the full prophecy:

In the tenth year, in the tenth month, in the twelfth day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Pharaoh king of Egypt, and prophesy against him, and against all Egypt: Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself. But I will put hooks in thy jaws, and I will cause the fish of thy rivers to stick unto thy scales, and I will bring thee up out of the midst of thy rivers, and all the fish of thy rivers shall stick unto thy scales. And I will leave thee thrown into the wilderness, thee and all the fish of thy rivers: thou shalt fall upon the open fields; thou shalt not be brought together, nor gathered: I have given thee for meat to the beasts of the field and to the fowls of the heaven. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee. And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it. Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries. Yet thus saith the Lord GOD; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered: And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom. It shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations.

God sets out a checklist of specific events that will occur:

1. Egypt and everything from the tower of Syene to Ethiopia will be desolate and waste
2. God will own the Nile
3. No humans will walk through Egypt
4. No animals will walk through Egypt
5. Nobody will live in Egypt for 40 years
6. Egyptians will leave Egypt and be scattered among other nations
7. After 40 years of scattering, Egypt will be repopulated by the scattered Egyptians
8. Egypt will be a weak kingdom, and will never control "the nations"

Never happened.

Of course it could have a meaning other than what you ascribed to it, but I'll leave this one to the Christians and Jews as it's their scripture and I do not have the context as they do.... I know my own limits.

 

[Trailblazer]

Test people's patience, you mean?

He is good at that too....remember Job?