Is Yaldabaoth really real?

[ChieftheCef]

Deuteronomy 34

Moses has written his own death.

Mark 2:5

“When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, ‘Son, your sins are forgiven.’“

Sins were forgiven before Jesus died nullifying the idea that Jesus had to die to forgive sins.

Mathew 16:28

"Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." “

Let’s think about it this way: Jesus said the disciples would be around and they aren’t.

Genesis 4:16-17

“So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch.”

Cain’s wife came from a town that had already existed prior to Eden.

If God is jealous, who is he jealous of?

Yahweh is the lesser deity, El, the later “variant” of the supreme god of the Ancient Israelites (including other Abrahamic religions) lands, because the Israelites won by being seeming friends and having a “good” idealistic, nonpragmatic, approach to life.

Genesi 1:26

“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

It is indeed our likeness and not simply Yaldabaoth.

The ark was 500 feet big, how could any ship hold a breeding population (which you actually need to make a species in the wild, not just two organisms but thousands)? What about plants?

Genesis 3:1-5 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.” And the serpent said unto the woman, “Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

How did he say that with a slither?

Snakes don’t talk. It’s just an allegory to tell children that you can’t do every single thing in the world among other things.

Jesus’s never resurrected any of us. The way Jesus disdains Nature doesn’t make us happy, it makes us unhappy, even contorted into sheerly doing ridiculous things like hurting ourselves or each other out of jadedness. The source: Monotheism.

Going majoritively against your nature is very bad for you. It makes you more stressed, and thus gives you worse health, pysical and mental, attitude and behavior giving other peopleworse health, bad attitude and behavior, compounding and compounding to civilizational levels.

You cannot swim against the river of life you must tread water and gradually swim to shore. You cannot go backwards against nature, you must flow with her. Elsewise you gunk her up.

First of all the word for sphere is dur, not galgal.

Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."

That’s this

It’s shaped like a roll deodorant stick and it’s the Hebrews conception of reality.It's entirely wrong and we can know, easily, because you can’t look out to the mountains past any body of water of sufficient size.

 

[1213]

"Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." “

Let’s think about it this way: Jesus said the disciples would be around and they aren’t.

Actually that scripture came true after six days:

And after six days, Jesus took Peter and James, and his brother John, and brought them up into a high mountain apart. And He was transfigured before them, and His face shone like the sun, and His clothing became white as the light. And, behold! Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Matt. 17:1-3

Genesis 4:16-17

“So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch.”

Cain’s wife came from a town that had already existed prior to Eden.

But Bible doesn't say there was a town before Eden?

If God is jealous, who is he jealous of?

Jealous can mean two things, envy, or possessiveness, like man can be jealous about losing his wife to someone else. I think that is the meaning in case of God, not envious.

The ark was 500 feet big, how could any ship hold a breeding population (which you actually need to make a species in the wild, not just two organisms but thousands)? What about plants?

Plants can survive as seeds and roots.

Why would not two of every kind not be enough? After the flood there was not much competition. And there is lot of animals that breed relatively fast. Also, it is possible that many of the animals in the ark were not yet fully grown.

My estimation that ark had about 3000 animals. Would fit nicely to the ark. And it this case species means actually that what is called families in biological classification hierarchy.

Genesis 3:1-5 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.” And the serpent said unto the woman, “Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

How did he say that with a slither?

Snakes don’t talk.

It is not known what kind of serpent it was. But, still, it can be said, snakes speak snake, maybe the people back then understood what the animals said. Doesn't necessary mean the snake spoke human.

...The way Jesus disdains Nature doesn’t make us happy, it makes us unhappy, ...

Why it makes you unhappy?

It’s shaped like a roll deodorant stick and it’s the Hebrews conception of reality.It's entirely wrong and we can know, easily, because you can’t look out to the mountains past any body of water of sufficient size.

I think your understanding of the scriptures is very poor. The reason you can't look to the mountains is that you just don't see well enough.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Actually that scripture came true after six days:

And after six days, Jesus took Peter and James, and his brother John, and brought them up into a high mountain apart. And He was transfigured before them, and His face shone like the sun, and His clothing became white as the light. And, behold! Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Matt. 17:1-3

But Bible doesn't say there was a town before Eden?

Jealous can mean two things, envy, or possessiveness, like man can be jealous about losing his wife to someone else. I think that is the meaning in case of God, not envious.

You don't even understand what I'm implying. That's how capabale you are of building a worldview.

Plants can survive as seeds and roots.

No, they wouldn't, they'd be swept away to the deeper seeds and never be born.

Why would not two of every kind not be enough?

For the same reason you can't **** your sister.

After the flood there was not much competition. And there is lot of animals that breed relatively fast. Also, it is possible that many of the animals in the ark were not yet fully grown.

You obviously don't fathom how big the Earth is.

My estimation that ark had about 3000 animals. Would fit nicely to the ark. And it this case species means actually that what is called families in biological classification hierarchy.

There are millions of more species than 3000. There are tens of thousands in your backyard

It is not known what kind of serpent it was. But, still, it can be said, snakes speak snake, maybe the people back then understood what the animals said. Doesn't necessary mean the snake spoke human.

The thing is no they don't. They don't communicate by sound.

Why it makes you unhappy?

I think your understanding of the scriptures is very poor. The reason you can't look to the mountains is that you just don't see well enough.

I think your assumptive nature is very poor. Don't form your own world view.

 

[TheSwede]

OT describes a time where the religion was henotheistic or monolatric. Not dualistic.

The gnostic system with a demiurge make more sense if you are trying to make the Christian god more loving and caring (considered what Jesus taught vs the Hebrew Bible), so it was logical for those groups after the death of Jesus to come up with those ideas to solve some issues.

 

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You don't even understand what I'm implying. That's how capabale you are of building a worldview.

Please explain what you are implying?

No, they wouldn't, they'd be swept away to the deeper seeds and never be born.

No intelligent reason to assume so.

For the same reason you can't **** your sister.

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You obviously don't fathom how big the Earth is.

Why do you think so?

There are millions of more species than 3000. There are tens of thousands in your backyard

If you define species very loosely. It seems Bible defines species as animal family is nowadays defined.

The thing is no they don't. They don't communicate by sound.

You claim that serpents don't make any sounds?

I think your assumptive nature is very poor. Don't form your own world view.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Please explain what you are implying?

No intelligent reason to assume so.

Except that mild rains produce enough force to distribute seeds down stream. That's how dumb you are. Stop, meditate, and think over your life.

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See you're playing dumb.

Why do you think so?

Because ytou don't understand how diverse nature's species are.

If you define species very loosely. It seems Bible defines species as animal family is nowadays defined.

And only you listen to those definitions. Evolution wouldn't take place fast enough to give us our current genetic diversity

You claim that serpents don't make any sounds?

They do not speak other than a hiss.

KYS, not us.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Deuteronomy 34

Moses has written his own death.

No. What makes you think Moses wrote Deuternomy 34? The tradition is that Joshua wrote it. Textual criticism reveals that it was written by someone they refer to as the Deuteronomist, which is not Moses.

It is indeed our likeness and not simply Yaldabaoth.

I realize that some people speak of the God of the Tanakh as being evil. But I don't think it is a good idea to conflate their notions with anything in the Bible.

The ark was 500 feet big, how could any ship hold a breeding population (which you actually need to make a species in the wild, not just two organisms but thousands)? What about plants?

You are treating a myth as though it is history. It's a bit like asking, "How did the Zebra talk?" in the story of how the Zebra got its stripes. You later speak of the serpent as being an allegory. If you understand this, then your questions seem a bit odd.

 

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Evolution wouldn't take place fast enough to give us our current genetic diversity

It is funny, if you expect people to believe your baseless claims.

They do not speak other than a hiss.

Ok, so they speak in their own way. Maybe Eve understood what those sounds mean.

 

[Ebionite]

But Bible doesn't say there was a town before Eden?

Try Jasher. Iron implements indicate some kind of society where people can specialize.

And Cain hastened and rose up, and took the iron part of his ploughing instrument, with which he suddenly smote his brother and he slew him, and Cain spilt the blood of his brother Abel upon the earth, and the blood of Abel streamed upon the earth before the flock.
Jasher 1:25

 

[Ebionite]

The gnostic system with a demiurge make more sense if you are trying to make the Christian god more loving and caring

It makes no sense that Jesus would endorse the demiurge.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Try Jasher. Iron implements indicate some kind of society where people can specialize.

And Cain hastened and rose up, and took the iron part of his ploughing instrument, with which he suddenly smote his brother and he slew him, and Cain spilt the blood of his brother Abel upon the earth, and the blood of Abel streamed upon the earth before the flock.
Jasher 1:25

Although more than one text makes the claim to be the book of Jasher, they are pseudepigraphal wannabes.

For example we have a Hebrew book from the 13th century: This version is a collection of Jewish legends and tales, recounting various biblical events with embellishments and interpretations. This is the oldest manuscript we have that claims to be Jasher.

We also have a 1751 English publication: Often called the Book of Jasher (or Sefer HaYashar), it is a fictional, midrashic-style retelling of the biblical narrative from the Creation to the time of Joshua.

There is absolutely no reason to think that these books have anything historical to say about the origins of mankind.

 

[Ebionite]

Although more than one text makes the claim to be the book of Jasher, they are pseudepigraphal wannabes.

Fact-free for the religionists.

 

[ChieftheCef]

I realize that some people speak of the God of the Tanakh as being evil. But I don't think it is a good idea to conflate their notions with anything in the Bible.

Why so we can't talk about evil? Remember to cut off your arm if you steal and give the other person the ability to harm you when you're attacked. ****ing Tigers, dude, go hug em.

You are treating a myth as though it is history. It's a bit like asking, "How did the Zebra talk?" in the story of how the Zebra got its stripes. You later speak of the serpent as being an allegory. If you understand this, then your questions seem a bit odd.

Obviously people still believe that and I am am slightly more worried about them than you. Honestly, other than the fact that you contribute to my genocide I could give a **** about you and your preferences.

 

[ChieftheCef]

It is funny, if you expect people to believe your baseless claims.

That's how I know you're a troll. Kys, not me.

Ok, so they speak in their own way. Maybe Eve understood what those sounds mean.

Grasping at straws.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Although more than one text makes the claim to be the book of Jasher, they are pseudepigraphal wannabes.

For example we have a Hebrew book from the 13th century: This version is a collection of Jewish legends and tales, recounting various biblical events with embellishments and interpretations. This is the oldest manuscript we have that claims to be Jasher.

We also have a 1751 English publication: Often called the Book of Jasher (or Sefer HaYashar), it is a fictional, midrashic-style retelling of the biblical narrative from the Creation to the time of Joshua.

There is absolutely no reason to think that these books have anything historical to say about the origins of mankind.

Why? They have equal truth value until you look at the evidence.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Why? They have equal truth value until you look at the evidence.

There isn't a religious text on earth that says anything historically reliable about the origins of the universe or the earth. However, the various books that claim to be Jasher are on the lowest rung, because they frauds.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Why so we can't talk about evil?

If I am talking about evil, I can speak quite generally, brining in ideas from Buddhism to Islam. But if I'm discussing an evil ENTITY, that is only relevant to its particular religion.

Obviously people still believe that and I am am slightly more worried about them than you. Honestly, other than the fact that you contribute to my genocide I could give a **** about you and your preferences.

Do you even know what genocide means? It refers to the obliteration of a group, not a single person.

Nor do I have any wish to adversely affect you as a person. I wish you all the best.

 

[Ebionite]

There isn't a religious text on earth that says anything historically reliable about the origins of the universe or the earth. However, the various books that claim to be Jasher are on the lowest rung, because they frauds.

Your rejection of Sefer haYashar is based on nothing more than religious tradition.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Your rejection of Sefer haYashar is based on nothing more than religious tradition.

Nope. It's based on the actual evidence that they are recent writings. I'm actually quite open to the possibility that archeologists might someday actually find a manuscript of Jasher that was written the proper time. It just hasn't happened yet.

 

[TheSwede]

It makes no sense that Jesus would endorse the demiurge.

They didn't believe that he supported the demiurge. The Gnostics believed that Jesus was sent by the other true God who is perfect.