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Is YHVH Omni-Anything?

Tumah

Tumah

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ThirtyThree said:
Look, that makes no sense. If he is not emotional, how is man such? Man was made of his image in your religion, no?
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How is that a question? Man is also flesh and G-d is not. Man also needs to eat to sustain himself and G-d does not.
Making man is G-d's image only refers to how G-d interacts with the world and says nothing about G-d Himself.
 
ThirtyThree

ThirtyThree

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Tumah said:
How is that a question? Man is also flesh and G-d is not. Man also needs to eat to sustain himself and G-d does not.
Making man is G-d's image only refers to how G-d interacts with the world and says nothing about G-d Himself.
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Is YHVH not loving and vengeful? Those are emotional descriptions?
 
rosends

rosends

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ThirtyThree said:
Is YHVH not loving and vengeful? Those are emotional descriptions?
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The words that we use to allow us to relate to God doesn't mean that those are accurate descriptions, just the function of the human linguistic need. Or, as we say in Hebrew, שהתורה דברה כלשון בני אדם, the Torah speaks in a human language.
 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
ThirtyThree said:
Is YHVH not loving and vengeful? Those are emotional descriptions?
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No He is not, these are ways that He interacts with us because He wants to be perceived that way. He could not be loving and vengeful, because He is unchanging. So long as He would be acting in the capacity of loving, He wouldn't be acting in the capacity of vengeful. To be both, would mean that He switched between them and that is changing. To be both simultaneously would contradict His Oneness. He is not two things.
 
Demonslayer

Demonslayer

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Tumah said:
these are ways that He interacts with us because He wants to be perceived that way. He could not be loving and vengeful,
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So he sends people to be tortured for eternity, not because he is vengeful, but to keep up his tough-guy image? Seems pretty petty for the universe's most powerful dude.
 
ThirtyThree

ThirtyThree

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Tumah said:
No He is not, these are ways that He interacts with us because He wants to be perceived that way. He could not be loving and vengeful, because He is unchanging. So long as He would be acting in the capacity of loving, He wouldn't be acting in the capacity of vengeful. To be both, would mean that He switched between them and that is changing. To be both simultaneously would contradict His Oneness. He is not two things.
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Then why do you worship something like this, which you can not even surely begin to comprehend?
 
Demonslayer

Demonslayer

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Tumah said:
I'm not sure that's 100% true, but its true enough.
Jews don't believe that Hell is eternal.
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Either way, eternal hell or no eternal hell, your statement was that God is not vengeful...he just wants to appear that way.

That's a little petty if you ask me. What is the logical conclusion? God acts tougher than He really is? God wants to scare people? God is all bark and no bite?
 
ThirtyThree

ThirtyThree

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Demonslayer said:
Either way, eternal hell or no eternal hell, your statement was that God is not vengeful...he just wants to appear that way.

That's a little petty if you ask me. What is the logical conclusion? God acts tougher than He really is? God wants to scare people? God is all bark and no bite?
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I second these questions.
 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
Demonslayer said:
Either way, eternal hell or no eternal hell, your statement was that God is not vengeful...he just wants to appear that way.

That's a little petty if you ask me. What is the logical conclusion? God acts tougher than He really is? God wants to scare people? God is all bark and no bite?
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No it doesn't mean that G-d isn't vengeful because He can't be and He's just putting up a front. Its saying that G-d is essentially not vengeful because revenge is not a concept that can be applied to G-d's self. That doesn't mean that G-d will not respond to sin, because G-d will punish sin. And that punishment for sin, appears to us as revenge, so it is termed vengeance. And this is what the verse is letting us know: do not sin, because G-d will extract punishment. But it is not because G-d is essentially vengeful, rather vengeance is an attribute that He makes use of and is removed from him as much as a fire is not a coal.
 
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