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You might ant to read the Aramaic targum to those 2 verses in Psalms in order to understand what is going on there and who is speaking to whom and about what.
that doesn't answer my question about verse 13 -- is it a prophecy concerning the messiah?
I don't believe so.
thank you. So you don't think that if a verse is quoted by the talmud and used as a reason to give a name of the messiah, that necessarily means that the verse is about the messiah. Just making sure.
Who do you think is speaking? This is a prophecy, spoken by Isaiah on behalf of God.
Actually the fact that they are not about Jesus is a side point. What Jews are saying is entirely that they are not about the Messiah. And even Christians cannot agree on what verses they think are prophecies. Some say dozens. Others say hundreds. There is no universally accepted number.
Oh my. You don't really understand what is going on in this section of Isaiah then.
This guy gives quite a convincing argument for the divine nature of the Torah, based on the gematria.
Are you able to summarize the derivation? Would you be able to recognize an error in the method?
Here's Isaiah 53 with the Hebrew. Do you disagree with the translation? If so, where and why?
No, but the speaker is making a public presentation which is open to scrutiny by those who consider themselves able to assess the validity of his claims. The fact that the original authors approached a top (atheist) statistician to confirm their findings does give some credibility.
Well I can show that Jesus is blind and naked using gematria. ישו=316 סנור=316 ערום=316
OK, I watched a bit of the video. This is about skip patterns and bible codes, not gematria. I didn't watch the whole video, so if there is gematria in there, maybe direct me to that section.
It isn't about the translation -- it is about tracking the pronouns in the context of the entire prophecy. Have you found a mistake in what I posted?
I'm surprised that the guy there is using "Yeshu" at all to do his computations. That part actually made me laugh out loud.
On the cross, this may have been true!
I assume that you are joking. Of course I do not get it.
What makes you think that part of Isaiah was written by Isaiah?
OK. Let's look at the pronouns in Isaiah 53.
the subject is the nation of Israel and the "we" is the foreign kings who are marveling at what they see. It is something along the lines of "This people which developed from humbleness and who looks horrible and we saw nothing desirable in him so we detested him."