Isaiah 63:11-12.

[John D. Brey]

Your interest is to show corruption in Jews, Judaism, and our written text, by adding corruption to our written text while pretending it was there all along.

I think you're reading things into my motivations and intentions that aren't there. And I think part of the problem is that in many Jewish minds, and in much Jewish religious thinking, in order for Judaism to be what Jews think it is, Christianity must be false, must be sheer idolatry. Starting from that premise, someone like myself, who actually respects Jews and Judaism tremendously, must nevertheless be a bad person, anti-Semitic, if he tries to read Christian ideas into Jewish scriptures.

Christianity isn't like that. It can accept Judaism as true and faithful to God, without believing that if that truth and faithfulness seems to contradicts Christianity, then dammed be Judaism. Sure, there are lots of Christians who demonize Judaism because they can't make it jibe fully with Christianity. But for the most part, orthodox Christian teaching accepts the full authenticity of Judaism even if it doesn't understand Israel's full relationship to the Church. Judaism on the other hand, has, from the start, seen Christianity as an idolatrous attack on Judaism. That idea is inherent to Jewish teaching, which makes dialogue problematic at best. But the problem comes from Judaism's attitude toward Christianity, not my attitude toward Judaism. I don't need Judaism to be false in order for my Christianity to be true.

I think you often realize my true intentions are in no way set against Judaism. But eventually, my attempt to read Christian ideas into Judaism set off biases that are inherent to your understanding of Judaism, and then, from that context, it starts to seem like all I'm doing is distorting Judaism and fraudulently trying to subvert the truth.



John

 

[dybmh]

I think you're reading things into my motivations and intentions that aren't there.

Or, you're denying it.

I've been reading your threads for over 5 years. In that time, I am the only person who has taken your writing seriously and tried to understand your point of view. And, I'm bold enough to take all of the penis references from your writing and show them to you. Now you're denying it. And it's obvious why.

In regard to your intention to smear Jews and Judaism, you've already admitted it. Perhaps you can lie to yourself about this, just as you an lie to yourself about the fixation on male genitalia and the obsession with inserting your penis fantasies where they don't belong.

It's important to my exegesis that Moses' rod be understood to be an avatar of the Torah scroll, the branch that's the power of God to shepherd Israel.

The deception begins here. You need to describe the Torah as a penis or else you cannot write what you want to write. How about this? Let's pretend that you actually don't realize what you're writing and what it means to the ones who are reading it.

Are you going to stop writing about Moses' rod?

Are you going to stop adding homosexual content to the written Torah?

 

[dybmh]

And the prophets request that it be removed from its ineffectual leprosy in the bosom of God to be healed so it can rescue Israel from her enemies.

And the prophets request that it ( Moses's rod ) be removed from the bosom of God?

John, what body part is the bosom?
John what body part is the rod?

Moses' original staff with a bronze serpent as a fore-skene ...

The molten-metal is the fore-skene of the original staff or rod that must be removed (the fore-skene must be removed) for Israel to see the nazar-ene beneath: "nazar" נצר, being the Hebrew word for the "branch," or staff, of Moses.

I'm quoting this so that you cannot deny it.

You are smearing Judaism and Jewish practice. You tell people that Jews cannot understand their own rituals, especially circumcision. You tell them,

"as we all know, the Jews do not know what their own Torah means. What's actually written in the Torah ( if you could read the Hebrew, like I can, yes be impressed ) is that the Torah without Jesus is like practicing homosexuality. Yes. Oh yes. I study Jewish scholars and can quote Rabbis. You, dear-one, can trust me. I am doing nothing different than Jewish scholars { here's where you name-drop }. Here I'll show you ... { insert convoluted mostly false information about the Hebrew language and what's written by Rabbis ).

So, you see, Moses' rod is in his hand. God is telling him to put it in his own bosom. Can you see why Moses is upset in the narrative? That's a secret Jews don't want to admit. Well, without Christ... you know. Those Jews, they can't see their own scripture. It's clearly saying that Moses' rod became leporous. And it's clearly written that Jews must swallow the teachings of Jesus, but they won't do it. Their corruption is like a foreskin that needs to be removed. Everything makes sense if you just read the Hebrew, like I do, and do proper exegeses/eisegeses like a Jewish person. You see I'm able to understand those queer Jews. But don't ask me how."

 

[dybmh]

I think you're reading things into my motivations and intentions that aren't there.

Almost every-time you use the word Jewish and Judaism you are smearing us. Almost every time you use the word "clearly" or "clear" in regard to the written Torah it's a lie. But since you believe it with all your heart, it can't be a smear, right? You're trying to help. It's a labor of love? That's like denying a homo-erotic encounter because one of the participants is wearing a dress.

Your intention is to help us, and you are willing to lie about what's written in the Torah to do it.

If your intentions are good, are you going to stop making prick-references and calling it "Jewish"?

 

[John D. Brey]

You need to describe the Torah as a penis or else you cannot write what you want to write. How about this? Let's pretend that you actually don't realize what you're writing and what it means to the ones who are reading it.

There's actually numerous reasons to see the Torah scroll as symbolizing the male reproductive-organ, least of which is its shape and the fact that it has a crown or "corona" on top like its fleshly analogue. Jewish writing labels the wooden rod in the middle of the synagogue scroll the "tree of life." That's literally what the rod around which the skin of the scroll snakes is called in Jewish quarters.

Calling the wooden rod or staff in the center of the synagogue scroll the "tree of life" segues with another important fact gleaned from Jewish conceptualism, i.e., the idea that in the garden of Eden, the tree of knowledge of good and evil snakes its way around the tree of life so that you literally can't eat from the tree of life until you've eaten your way through the tree of knowledge. Proof of the pudding is in the fact that its only after Adam and Eve eat from the tree of knowledge that the scripture tells us there's serious concern that now, suddenly, Adam and Eve might also eat from the tree of life and life forever (Gen. 3:22).

In the three most formative rituals associated with what Rabbi Hirsch calls the foundation of Judaism, i.e, ritual circumcision, the first act is removing the skin or skene that snakes around the rod beneath (milah). The second of the three rituals occurs when a Jewish male's hand (often a fingernail sharpened for the purpose) severs the very membrane associated with virginity. He breaks open that membrane in order to represent a Jewish (that is a circumcised) conception and birth (periah). It's thus a Jewish hand (not male organ) that opens the the membrane (periah) making the one born of this circumspect pregnancy a "womb-opener" פטר רחם (Exodus 13:2). Finally, in the last of the three rituals, once the membrane that signifies pregnancy is torn by a Jewish male's hand (periah), implying a virgin pregnancy has been affected, suddenly, it's as though the blood of the tree of life is available for ingestion (metzitzah).

Naturally that's a lot for a Jewish person to swallow. Nevertheless, it's crucially important to the exegesis you've suddenly soured on in this thread since Moses' own rod has a bronze "fore skene" snaking around it making us think of the rod in the middle of the Torah scroll around which the scroll snakes.

When Moses curses the water of the womb (Exodus 7:20), the text tells us the uncircumspect rod "smites" (strikes or tears) the water. On the other hand, when he "breaks the water" (Exodus 14:16), so that the membrane of the waters divides allowing God's firstborn to be freed from the womb, the text tells Moses to "lay down" or "discard" (הדם, destroy, level to the ground, Gesenius) his rod, and, instead, use his "hand" to "break the water" and thus "open the womb" פטר רחם (Exodus 14:16; 13:2) so that God's firstborn can come out.

The imporance of the foregoing (so to say), implies that the Torah scroll is indeed the emblem, the remnant, of Moses' rod, and that Judaism hasn't yet treated it as circumspectly as she should. She should discard the outer narrative found on the outer skene of lamb's skin parchment (snaking around the wooden rod that's the tree of life), and drink the blood of the Torah scroll since its there, and not on the knowledge gleaned from outer skene of the scroll, where true and everlasting life resides.

Woe to the sinners who look upon the Torah as simply tales pertaining to things of the world, seeing thus only the outer garment. But the righteous whose gaze penetrates to the very Torah, happy are they. Just as wine must be in a jar to keep, so the Torah must be contained in an outer garment. That garment is made up of tales and stories; but we, we are bound to penetrate beyond.​

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The Zohar.​

John