EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
If you are referring to my post, how do you consider Taqiyya to be conspiracy theory?
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ISIS: THE ENEMY OF ISLAM
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Papoon
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That was not a reference to your post.
My references to your post do however contain various examples of the US govt tendency to engage in the equivalent to taqiyya, albeit secular, which despite being statements of historical fact are dismissed by many as hysterical fiction without being answered.
Some of my posts were dismissed as conspiracy theory- which is provocative and insulting and therefore against rules of posting here as I understand it - prior to our discussion of taqiyya.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Is this observation by you meant to condone or condemn the practice?
Does it make it 'right' or 'wrong' because governments also practice falsifying evidence and news in order to maintain covert or whatever other reasons they may have?
Why are you comparing a country / government to a religion?
Papoon
Active Member
I'm not condoning it. I have no time for militant Islam, or dictators, or governments which lie and start wars, or outlaw motorcycle gangs, or corporate bullies etc etc. All the same in my book.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Then why are you here in this thread?
I am Muslim i don't know what is Takiyya is related to Sharia , you are talking about !!!
I know Takiyya in Arabic is kind of clothes religion hat ,looks like Christian or Jewish one .but it's larger than .
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
"Taqiyya" . . . Did you read about it in the link I provided?
it's seems you used anti-Islam site (link) to provide about Islam ?!!
just for first verse in that site :
Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah , and for them is a great punishment;
from http://quran.com/16
in free-will the lie is forbiden , there is exceptions where lie is allowed : lie to mislead the enemy , lie to fix a relation between two people , lie by force to hide your faith , to avoid to be killed or be harmed by disbelievers .
Papoon
Active Member
What a gobsmacking question.
So many haters are attacking ordinary decent people who happen to be Muslim.
What inconceivable arrogance and ignorance.
After watching videos of the women of Kurdistan -simple village women thrust into horror by ISIS - forming themselves into an army to defend their children, I was moved to tears. They are getting no support from the overfed baselessly proud media-ised zombies of our culture. My government in Australia even classifies them as terrorists.
They are brave, desperately fighting for survival. And they are Muslim.
The responses I see in these forums and other media show such appalling lack of care for these people, and worse, paint them as covert supporters of ISIS because they are Muslim. They are laying down their lives to fight ISIS.
The least I can do to help them is to remind my ignorant community of their existence, and their peril.
In doing this simple social service, I am discovering that even to defend Muslim people under attack from insane militias draws fire and insult to myself, such is the simplistic polarization being fostered in our media.
Why are you in this thread ?
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MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
I am so surprised that Kurds are secular. Just because they are against Turks and arabs make them secular? Pls read some news about honor killings performed by Kurds.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Simply to bear the truth about this vile and evil Abrahamic religion.
We have centuries of Muslims conquering areas and then erasing the prior religion through destruction of artifacts and texts, a scripture full of hate, slavery and violence, these sublime tenets such as Taqiyya, etc.
These are not practiced by Islamic Extremists, these are practiced by Muslims . . . the only Islamic systems I embrace personally are the much despised (by Islam) Sufi orders.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Both of these sites are well known anti-Islam sites. The quality of the information found on them is suspect.
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it's very simple to undersand , your sites is made by anti-Islam fans , is that clear enough ?
I found a thread about this issue "taqiyya" , in Islam DIR
http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/al-taqiyya.180658/
I hope he will listen to you
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I won't hold my breath.I hope he will listen to you
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Everyone that speaks against Islam is either Islamophobic or anti-Muslim . . .
the Wiki article . . . it is unbiased
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya
MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
Because secularism is so alien for some of humans,what a pitty.
against Islam how ? :1- by lie about Islam , or 2- being disagree with Islam ?
your links include that wikipedia you just post is anti-Islam , is that clear too ?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
You are still relatively new here, EtuMalku. I don't think any of our resident Muslims would say that I am particularly fond of Islam or that I am an apologist for Islam. Heck, I even fondly remember one poor Muslim girl who said that I was no less than Shaytan himself. I considered that quite a compliment, really.
What you may not realize is that Taqiya is predominantly a Shia Islam idea and given that 90% of the Muslim world is Sunni, it should not be a surprise that the concept is not well known. Many people who write about Taqiya fail to mention that little tidbit.Even your "unbiased" Wiki article states:
My emphasis added.
Sadly, many who have little understanding of Islam, let alone the nuances between the different sects, tend to pounce on "taqiyya" and run with the ball as if all Muslims everywhere are fully conversant with the idea. It's almost like some grand conspiracy theory. Fortunately education helps to alleviate the need to spread disinformation like this
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
You may think I am new but I have been here for many years and on earth for many decades
"it nevertheless is one of the key terms used by recent anti-Muslim polemicists"
And this proves . . . what?
" . . . when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie."
That is the bottom line and all that I have been pointing out . . .
Got it?
"it nevertheless is one of the key terms used by recent anti-Muslim polemicists"
And this proves . . . what?
" . . . when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie."
That is the bottom line and all that I have been pointing out . . .
Got it?