ISIS wants to destroy itself?

[Augustus]

Why would ISIS want to **** off everybody when they are vastly outnumbered and outmatched? Doesn't anyone find that strange? Whatever goal they have isn't going to be accomplished if they kidnap many different people and make people mad? It just seems strange to me.

Part of their strategy to 'instil terror in the hearts of the enemy'. They understand the media and how they can use it to create deterrence and make people afraid to fight them. The extreme, shocking violence is planned and aimed towards achieving their goals.

As I've said in other threads, if you want to understand them then read the jihadi text 'the Management of Savagery'. It's only a hundred or so pages and is a text that is very influential in ISIS strategy and ideology. If you read it, then everything will make sense:

http://www.physics.wisc.edu/undergr...eference_chapter07/Management_of_Savagery.pdf

If they had any GUTS, they would all gather in one place over there and let three or four Wart Hogs Gatlin Gum them down .

I don't get this idea that they are cowards. They are highly motivated, zealous fanatics. Just because they are the scum of the earth, doesn't make them cowardly, by most definitions of the word they have to be considered pretty brave.

But because of how chaotic and unorganized they are, they can quickly fall, too.

They are highly organised and very strategic, their core fighters have been involved in many years of fighting in Iraq, Chechnya, etc. and have developed some very effective plans based on their plentiful experience. They are well armed with plenty of powerful weaponry. They also have plenty of cannon fodder new recruits and hundreds of suicide bombers to use strategically in combat.

They certainly aren't just a few disorganised idiots with AK47s. They are a very effective fighting force, as they would be expected to be given their manpower, experience and weaponry. Just because they are scum, doesn't mean we need to pretend otherwise.

 

[jeager106]

No sense debating who was worse than who.
ISIS is different in many ways to those fought in previous modern wars.
ISIS fighters really do believe they will upon death be in paradise with Allah
and the whole virgin reward thing. So ISIS muslims are similar to the Jap
of WWII and that war was total war.
ISIS has been a success because of destabilised Arabic countries, confusion, the Iraq military was already purged and in disaray when ISIS ran them off.
Literally ran them off, then took all the American military equipment the fleeing
troops left behind.
Same in Lybia, no government in power, no organization, so it's easy pickin's
for ISIS.
ISIS fighters are not well trained, the have faced local guard armies that run off (Iraq)
and no armies at all, Lybia, Syria is busy fighting a bloody civil war.
The super rich of Qatar, the Saudis would much rather NOT fight and suck the U.SD. back into the middle east.
ISIS fighters are now experienced however and dedicated to die.
The leaders very well DO believe they can be the catalyst to bring about
"gods" wrath to end mans rule on earth and replace it with gods islamic
religion run by allah, thus completing the goal of islam, that of world
domination.
For all I know this just might BE THE catalilyst that brings about WWIII.
If the Christian God doesn't intervene were could all be screwed.....and soon.
The Saudis are safe from ISIS as the Saudis financed them in the 1st place.
Saudis are Wahabbi Sunni, the "chosen of the chosen" they would LOVE to see
the world collapse, as they believe they are the elite of muslims thus are
protected by allah.
I fear this won't end with any success in the mind of the west.
Fact is islam needs to be either destroyed or modified, else the murders
continue unabated.
Obama still refused to call a terrorist a terroist.

State Dept Spokeswoman: End ISIS By Giving Them Jobs

A State Department spokesperson's solution to stop ISIS from continuing to behead innocent people boils down to "killing them with kindness."

During Monday evening's "Hardball With Chris Matthews," State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf outlined a new plan to stop the terrorist group, saying "We're killing a lot of them, and we're going to keep killing more of them. [...] But we cannot win this war by killing them. We need to [...] help them build their economies so they can have job opportunities for these people."

Really? ISIS resume for a job: " I have good people skills, like to get a HEAD,
am handy with a dull knife".

"Tyson Chicken beheader needed, experience a plus."

The news reported 21 Egyptian Christians beheaded. The White house says
21 Egyptian citizens beheaded.
Denial is not a river in Africa.

 

[Augustus]

The Saudis are safe from ISIS as the Saudis financed them in the 1st place.
Saudis are Wahabbi Sunni, the "chosen of the chosen" they would LOVE to see
the world collapse, as they believe they are the elite of muslims thus are
protected by allah.

The Saudis are not safe from ISIS as they themselves recognise. It's a matter of time before their regime collapses, maybe 1 year maybe 50 years, but a matter of time and when it goes, it will go big style as they have built their kingdom on a powder keg caused by al of the Faustian pacts they have made over the years.

The Saudi regime certainly doesn't want to see their world collapse...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Look up the Sonderkommando Elbe. Or the Germans defending anywhere in the Arnhem. Or the defense of Berlin by the SS-Charlemagne division.

The very fact that the Nazis managed to accumulate such a massive death toll in such a short time, to me at least, speaks volumes for how much more deadly and dangerous they were. Whereas ISIS are a bunch of madmen on a killing spree, the Nazi party was a killing and propaganda machine, and it was very efficient at what it done.
And clearly they do not have the spirit of Bushido, or many of them would be involved in the mass executions. Death in combat is good for ISIS, but so is living through a defeat.

 

[Sees]

The very fact that the Nazis managed to accumulate such a massive death toll in such a short time, to me at least, speaks volumes for how much more deadly and dangerous they were. Whereas ISIS are a bunch of madmen on a killing spree, the Nazi party was a killing and propaganda machine, and it was very efficient at what it done.
And clearly they do not have the spirit of Bushido, or many of them would be involved in the mass executions. Death in combat is good for ISIS, but so is living through a defeat.

Yep

"Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty."

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

People are so easy intimitated by ISIS. Guys, isis are humans too and they bleed aswell. Unless they are Supernatural creatures unable to be defeated...
What should be done is by massacring many of them, showing isis no mercy.
Iraqi Sunni Tribes can beat them within a week. The problem is the shia govt in iraq controlled from Tehran that does not want to give Sunnis more autonomy and better representation within the govt.

 

[Nietzsche]

People are so easy intimitated by ISIS. Guys, isis are humans too and they bleed aswell. Unless they are Supernatural creatures unable to be defeated...
What should be done is by massacring many of them, showing isis no mercy.
Iraqi Sunni Tribes can beat them within a week. The problem is the shia govt in iraq controlled from Tehran that does not want to give Sunnis more autonomy and better representation within the govt.

Iran isn't exactly happy with ISIS either.

 

[Adramelek]

According to the US State Department we can't defeat ISIS by killing them, we need to understand the root cause for their hatred of the West, and create jobs for them. I say, let them come here, we free Americans will greet them with our own guns and knives, and flame throwers, explosives, etc.

 

[Awoon]

You know this for fact? Interesting.

I been to a lot of funerals. Bodies stay here.

 

[Nietzsche]

I been to a lot of funerals. Bodies stay here.

Obviously. But you've also peeked behind the vale and can say with certainty, that there is not some equivalent beyond Death? Or that there's anything after death at all?

 

[Awoon]

Part of their strategy to 'instil terror in the hearts of the enemy'. They understand the media and how they can use it to create deterrence and make people afraid to fight them. The extreme, shocking violence is planned and aimed towards achieving their goals.

As I've said in other threads, if you want to understand them then read the jihadi text 'the Management of Savagery'. It's only a hundred or so pages and is a text that is very influential in ISIS strategy and ideology. If you read it, then everything will make sense:

http://www.physics.wisc.edu/undergr...eference_chapter07/Management_of_Savagery.pdf



I don't get this idea that they are cowards. They are highly motivated, zealous fanatics. Just because they are the scum of the earth, doesn't make them cowardly, by most definitions of the word they have to be considered pretty brave.

The op said ISIS wants to destroy itself. Well, gather together in the desert and let the Wart Hogs kill em. If not they are Cowards.



They are highly organised and very strategic, their core fighters have been involved in many years of fighting in Iraq, Chechnya, etc. and have developed some very effective plans based on their plentiful experience. They are well armed with plenty of powerful weaponry. They also have plenty of cannon fodder new recruits and hundreds of suicide bombers to use strategically in combat.

They certainly aren't just a few disorganised idiots with AK47s. They are a very effective fighting force, as they would be expected to be given their manpower, experience and weaponry. Just because they are scum, doesn't mean we need to pretend otherwise.

 

[Poeticus]

If ya'll are going to do a ISIS-Nazi comparison, might as well involve the Imperial Japanese Army ...

 

[Awoon]

Obviously. But you've also peeked behind the vale and can say with certainty, that there is not some equivalent beyond Death? Or that there's anything after death at all?

Never saw any physicals bodies there.

 

[Nietzsche]

If ya'll are going to do a ISIS-Nazi comparison, might as well involve the Imperial Japanese Army ...

I've spent a good part of this thread trying to explain how painfully stupid that is.

Never saw any physicals bodies there.

If you died, you'd be dead.

 

[Poeticus]

I've spent a good part of this thread trying to explain how painfully stupid that is.

Exactly my point, it's a misleading comparison.

 

[Awoon]

I've spent a good part of this thread trying to explain how painfully stupid that is.

If you died, you'd be dead.

Dead means, to be elsewhere. And I never said I died.

 

[Nietzsche]

Dead means, to be elsewhere. And I never said I died.

Then you've not seen the afterlife or lack-there-of.

Thank you for playing!

 

[columbus]

Unless they are Supernatural creatures unable to be defeated...

ISIS are not supernatural creatures. But they are creatures of the supernatural. They believe that the afterlife is better than the life we know about. So they don't object to dying for Allah and Muhammad.

As long as they can crucify or behead a few people first. And get a little sex slave action.

ISIS is the current ultimate in religious beliefs. They are why the teachings about an afterlife are SO wrong. They want to kill and die for God! Because Islam has taught them to do it.
Christianity teaches that as well. But Christian

culture started adopting secular ethics centuries ago. Christians don't usually believe in ancient ethical codes. That is why Christendom is morally superior to any kalifat. Not a lot superior, we did just invade Iraq to "liberate" a bunch of fossil fuels.
The Abrahamic world is a huge mess. The premise that God will bless you in an afterlife for being a murderous monster in this one is one of the main reasons why. ISIS has that in spades.
ISIS is God's worst manifestation.

Tom

 

[Awoon]

Then you've not seen the afterlife or lack-there-of.

Thank you for playing!

Why is there an afterlife?

 

[Nietzsche]

Why is there an afterlife?

That's why I added "or lack there of".