Islam’s teaching on response to abuse and mockery

[YmirGF]

In short, I have no problem ridiculing a destructive and unreasonable belief such as this. I am not ridiculing anyone, though, just a belief, so if people want to be offended by this ridicule, that is on them. In a free society, we must be free to ridicule ideas without fear of violent retribution.

I agree, but oddly, far too many human animals would not. They might even get a bit excitable over given comments.

 

[leibowde84]

I agree, but oddly, far too many human animals would not. They might even get a bit excitable over given comments.

We shouldn't bend over to irrationality. Then it only gets worse. Look at Germany in the 20s and 30s and how fast that got out of control.

 

[outhouse]

So, you are good insulting a huge amount of people for one of their most cherished beliefs... about their prophet...

The problem is islams claims do not stand up to academia, education and or knowledge.

Academia insults them to the core of their belief by showing its a plagiarized religion and a divine connection to said person is 100% unsubstantiated.

 

[atanu]

I was a little surprised to find Islam as varied as Christianity. Regardless of whatever the original intent of the religion's "founder", people are going to adopt a religion to their needs. It's like evolution, how religion evolves is very complex. If people disagree enough with some of the fundamental ideas, they'll branch out and start their own version.

Yet still somehow assume their version is God given. Versions that don't agree with their own must be the result of "false prophets".

The important thing to note I think is that you can't judge a person by their religion.

Actually it is our minds that add variety to scriptural interpretations. If one's face is covered with muck that is reflected in a pool of placid water.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

The important thing to note I think is that you can't judge a person by their religion.

Imagine how different the history of the world would be if your assertion were true?

 

[NulliuSINverba]

So, you are good insulting a huge amount of people for one of their most cherished beliefs... about their prophet...

Isn't one already offering a grave insult for not unquestionably assuming that the truth claims being accepted by the "huge amount of people" in question are true? Isn't denying the claim(s) tantamount to slander?

In Muslim majority counties, it would be extremely bad judgment to slander or mock Muhammad. Neither would likely go over too well with the locals.

You make it sound as if there's a meaningful distinction being made between the "slander" and "mock" options. Which seems dubious to me. Is one a lesser offense than the other? Or do they both land you in equally hot water?

Meanwhile, let those who live in theocracies deal with with that reality and let those who live elsewhere deal with that reality.

 

[Nakosis]

Imagine how different the history of the world would be if your assertion were true?

I've always found it best to judge a person by their actions, regardless of their religious views.

 

[outhouse]

I've always found it best to judge a person by their actions, regardless of their religious views.

That is great advise.


Knowing people get behind a keyboard and say many things they would not say to your face, often gives us a false impression developing strong stereotypes.

 

[Aquitaine]

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My God this one's hilarious, genuinely laughed out loud.

 

[Aquitaine]

It depends. Friends will occasionally mock each other in a light-hearted way and it does just what you mention. However, it can also spread ignorance, hatred, misinformation, and in most cases is bullying.

Would you agree however, that there's a difference when it comes to mocking an ideology, especially one based around illogical superstitious claims?

 

[Nakosis]

These are regulations that is followed.

In bible it says whoever serves false gods must be put to death.

Death is only a door to other dimensions.

How do know this? If you're wrong then death is just death. I don't know if it's a good idea to justify killing folks because you believe you're just helping them along to the next dimension.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

I've always found it best to judge a person by their actions, regardless of their religious views.

Yes. If only religion didn't prompt, motivate, instigate, and provide a convenient excuse for so many lamentable actions throughout human history. If only.

 

[Nakosis]

Yes. If only religion didn't prompt, motivate, instigate, and provide a convenient excuse for so many lamentable actions throughout human history. If only.

It's folks like you and me who make religion what it is. Religion really is in the hand of it's followers. However, truthfully humans are an authoritarian bunch. They tend to look for someone to lead them. Whatever authority figure they flock to they're likely to make a religion out of it. Might as well blame evolution while you're at it.

 

[Nakosis]

I agree, but oddly, far too many human animals would not. They might even get a bit excitable over given comments.

Maybe they fear being ridiculed/mocked themselves? Or maybe it's seen as a bad idea to mock authority in general. If you start mocking authority, especially religious authority then chaos reigns. The group won't survive.

"You can't mock our (religious)authority because it threatens the survival of the group" and it does. The more we mock religious authority, the less seriously folks are going to take it.

 

[Shad]

It's folks like you and me who make religion what it is. Religion really is in the hand of it's followers. However, truthfully humans are an authoritarian bunch. They tend to look for someone to lead them. Whatever authority figure they flock to they're likely to make a religion out of it. Might as well blame evolution while you're at it.

Ive always argued that despite all the patting on the back we do humans are barely above the level of tribalism

 

[YmirGF]

Maybe they fear being ridiculed/mocked themselves? Or maybe it's seen as a bad idea to mock authority in general. If you start mocking authority, especially religious authority then chaos reigns. The group won't survive.

"You can't mock our (religious)authority because it threatens the survival of the group" and it does. The more we mock religious authority, the less seriously folks are going to take it.

...and we should take so-called "religious authority" seriously because?

 

[Nakosis]

...and we should take so-called "religious authority" seriously because?

Genetics...

In “Obedience to Traditional Authority: A heritable factor underlying authoritarianism, conservatism and religiousness,” published by the journal Personality and Individual Differences in 2013, three psychologists write that “authoritarianism, religiousness and conservatism,” which they call the “traditional moral values triad,” are “substantially influenced by genetic factors.” According to the authors — Steven Ludeke of Colgate, Thomas J. Bouchard of the University of Minnesota, and Wendy Johnson of the University of Edinburgh — all three traits are reflections of “a single, underlying tendency,”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/o...nes-influence-our-political-beliefs.html?_r=0

 

[YmirGF]

Genetics...

In “Obedience to Traditional Authority: A heritable factor underlying authoritarianism, conservatism and religiousness,” published by the journal Personality and Individual Differences in 2013, three psychologists write that “authoritarianism, religiousness and conservatism,” which they call the “traditional moral values triad,” are “substantially influenced by genetic factors.” According to the authors — Steven Ludeke of Colgate, Thomas J. Bouchard of the University of Minnesota, and Wendy Johnson of the University of Edinburgh — all three traits are reflections of “a single, underlying tendency,”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/o...nes-influence-our-political-beliefs.html?_r=0

So, because we are possibly hard-wired to accept authority we should take seriously the drooling rantings of those who climb to the top of the pile of moral hubris?

 

[Nakosis]

So, because we are possibly hard-wired to accept authority we should take seriously the drooling rantings of those who climb to the top of the pile of moral hubris?

No, I think if you're hardwired you may not have much choice.

Let me put it this way. I've been pretty much anti-authoritarian my whole life. I don't know that makes me any better, it just makes me different.

Other folks are comfortable with that stuff. Maybe they can't help that any more then I can change my dislike of authority.

 

[YmirGF]

No, I think if you're hardwired you may not have much choice.

Let me put it this way. I've been pretty much anti-authoritarian my whole life. I don't know that makes me any better, it just makes me different.

Other folks are comfortable with that stuff. Maybe they can't help that any more then I can change my dislike of authority.

It's pretty simple, you are asserting your own sense of authority and that is why you (and I) tend to pee all over accepted "authority".

Perhaps we are wise enough to be wary of whom we bestow our allegiances to... Jus' sayin'....

What is problematic is that some individuals manage to enhance the power of their own position by appealing to the number of followers who hold similar or the same positions. It's like a religious/philosophical echo chamber, not dissimilar to the "left wing" or "right wing" political echo chambers.