Islam and Being Homosexual

[Rational Agnostic]

This is Isis, Daesh, doing this, not muslim countries in general.

According to Wiki, Iran seems to have executed some people for homosexuality, NOT by throwing people off buildings. It seems Somalia may have executed some as well. That seems to be it.

Stop posting misleading and inflammatory garbage.

Well, Islam is clearly the most intolerant and violent religion in the world. Personally, I agree with Richard Dawkins who stated "Islam is the greatest force for evil in the world today."

 

[mojtaba]

In Iran if convicted after a fair religious trial, you are thrown off tall buildings to a horrible and painful death.

This is not true.

 

[exchemist]

Well, Islam is clearly the most intolerant and violent religion in the world. Personally, I agree with Richard Dawkins who stated "Islam is the greatest force for evil in the world today."

Irrelevant to the falsehood of the claim made in the OP.

 

[Piculet]

I read that in Iran, a gender-changing operation is the only official way out of the "crime" of homosexuality, as after a gender-changing operation, a gay man and his formerly male lover can marry and live together as man and "woman" as prescribed by Islam.

Read that where?

 

[Piculet]

It is all the same!

No, it's not. You made a claim in the OP which you aren't supporting with evidence.

 

[Sirona]

This is not true.

Indeed. They are publicly hanged on cranes.

 

[Sirona]

Read that where?

The gay people pushed to change their gender
The gay people pushed to change their gender

SEXUAL ‘CLEANSING’
Iran is forcing thousands of gay people to have gender reassignment surgery against their will or face execution
Iran is forcing gay people to have gender ops against their will

T03-O-08 Social stigma, homosexuality and transsexuality in Iran
"In Iran, gay male sex carries the death penalty, but hundreds of people are having their sex changed legally, bolstered by the blessings of members of the ruling Shiite clergy."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1158136008727051

Try googling "transsexuality" "gay men" "Iran". It's really not hard.

 

[Piculet]

Salaam.

I'd appreciate knowing how you would rate Wikipedia: LGBT in Islam. Thanks.

Salaam. I can't really say. That's a long article, I don't know enough about the topic and I don't have time to verify the sources it uses. Didn't notice anything catastrophically wrong looking through some of it.

 

[Piculet]

Based on the following poll of 38,000 Muslims across 39 countries, about 85% of Muslims think that homosexuality is morally wrong:

The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society

Why does it bring to my mind the word oxymoron..

 

[QuestioningMind]

It is very clear from Islamic sources and recent history that Islam is totally incompatible with Homosexuality.In Iran if convicted after a fair religious trial, you are thrown off tall buildings to a horrible and painful death.You can watch these executions on Youtube. In other Muslim countries your head is chopped off. So how is the religion of peace compatible with 21th century liberal values?

LGBT in Islam - Wikipedia

I'm not convinced that Christians would do any better in a Christian theocracy. I've heard more than one self-proclaimed Christian in the US advocate for rounding up all the gays for slaughter. It's simply the fact that most Christians live in secular societies that prevents them from taking such drastic action. If they had the power and authority, I fear that there's quite a few Christians who would do precisely what they do is many Muslim countries.

 

[Brickjectivity]

It is very clear from Islamic sources and recent history that Islam is totally incompatible with Homosexuality.In Iran if convicted after a fair religious trial, you are thrown off tall buildings to a horrible and painful death.You can watch these executions on Youtube. In other Muslim countries your head is chopped off. So how is the religion of peace compatible with 21th century liberal values?

I suggest putting aside the topic, moving it to a different site such as reddit. There is no debate about Islam's stance. The only thing that can be debated is how to enforce and whether to enforce, and that can't be done on RF as we don't have enough Muslim visitors to bake a cake.

 

[Mike.Hester]

I'm not convinced that Christians would do any better in a Christian theocracy. I've heard more than one self-proclaimed Christian in the US advocate for rounding up all the gays for slaughter. It's simply the fact that most Christians live in secular societies that prevents them from taking such drastic action. If they had the power and authority, I fear that there's quite a few Christians who would do precisely what they do is many Muslim countries.

That is the point,Christians do not have the power to execute homosexuals but Islam has. You are correct, there are several groups that advocate physical homosexual bashing.

 

[icehorse]

Why does it bring to my mind the word oxymoron..

I'm sorry, can you clarify this point? thanks!

 

[Piculet]

The gay people pushed to change their gender
The gay people pushed to change their gender

SEXUAL ‘CLEANSING’
Iran is forcing thousands of gay people to have gender reassignment surgery against their will or face execution
Iran is forcing gay people to have gender ops against their will

T03-O-08 Social stigma, homosexuality and transsexuality in Iran
"In Iran, gay male sex carries the death penalty, but hundreds of people are having their sex changed legally, bolstered by the blessings of members of the ruling Shiite clergy."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1158136008727051

Try googling "transsexuality" "gay men" "Iran". It's really not hard.

Thanks. It's on you to provide the source for your claims. Such surgeries are impermissable in Islam, however.

 

[Piculet]

I'm sorry, can you clarify this point? thanks!

How can a muslim believe that homosexual behaviour is not morally wrong?

 

[Mike.Hester]

Check this confession by an Islamic Cleric.Meet Nur Warsame, the gay imam who wants to make a difference in Muslim homes - Face2Face Africa

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Can you tell us what is wrong with the Islamic view on homosexuality and why it's wrong?

It is always wrong to punish people for what they are by nature. Being tall is no more sinful than being short. Being dark is no more sinful than being fair. Having a congenital defect is no more sinful than having none.

The evidence is in, and has been studied with great thoroughness. Nobody -- not once, not ever -- has demonstrated that a human being has a choice in their sexual orientation. It is possible to fake it, yes, but surely that would be a great wrong to the person that you are faking it on (unless it's a woman, of course, and then of no human value).

The view of Islam, like that of other religions, that homosexuality must be punished denies this knowledge -- thus it is IGNORANT of that knowledge.

And thus it is wrong.

 

[icehorse]

How can a muslim believe that homosexual behaviour is not morally wrong?

What you just said seems consistent with my understanding of Islam. What I'm frequently told my Muslims however, is that Islam infinitely open to interpretation, and hence it cannot be held accountable for anything. I find your answer quite honest and refreshing.

 

[Tambourine]

That is the point,Christians do not have the power to execute homosexuals but Islam has.

You mean, not any more. Homosexuality was outlawed in many countries with a Christian majority population until the mid 20th century, with e.g. many US states only starting to legalize it in the early 1970s, and some strongly traditionalist Christian countries such as Ireland only decriminalizing homosexual relationships in the 1990s.

The idea of Christian-majority countries being particularly tolerant of homosexuality seems to be largely a post-hoc fabrication, and I would argue frequently motivated by religious nationalism and Islamophobia first and foremost.

You are correct, there are several groups that advocate physical homosexual bashing.

They don't just advocate, apparently.

 

[Piculet]

It is always wrong to punish people for what they are by nature. Being tall is no more sinful than being short. Being dark is no more sinful than being fair. Having a congenital defect is no more sinful than having none.

The evidence is in, and has been studied with great thoroughness. Nobody -- not once, not ever -- has demonstrated that a human being has a choice in their sexual orientation. It is possible to fake it, yes, but surely that would be a great wrong to the person that you are faking it on (unless it's a woman, of course, and then of no human value).

The view of Islam, like that of other religions, that homosexuality must be punished denies this knowledge -- thus it is IGNORANT of that knowledge.

And thus it is wrong.

(I'm still waiting for the OP to give his reasoning, but that may never happen...) No, Islam has no such teaching that homosexuality in itself was either wrong or punishable.