Islam and Sabbath

[firedragon]

Anyhow you got me curious so I went to the Quranic Arabic Corpus and it (ie the QAC) appears to say the Quran does say friday.

Its good to do that research.

It doesnt say Friday. It says Jumaa. It means gathering or together or group. Friday is an imposition.

It says
(62:9:9)
l-jumuʿati
(of) Friday, PN – genitive feminine proper noun → Friday
اسم علم مجرور

Yes. As you can see, it is Jeem, Meem, Ain and wakth. Jumuah. Doesnt mean Friday.

Since you asked.

 

[danieldemol]

Its good to do that research.

It doesnt say Friday. It says Jumaa. It means gathering or together or group. Friday is an imposition.



Yes. As you can see, it is Jeem, Meem, Ain and wakth. Jumuah. Doesnt mean Friday.

Since you asked.

Do you have something peer reviewed to support your assertion?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Friday is called Yawm al-Jum’ah in Arabic, meaning the Day of Assembly,

My question is, is this text above correct? My arabic is still very poor.

 

[firedragon]

Do you have something peer reviewed to support your assertion?

Assertion? Peer reviewed? For this? My God.

If I speak of "peer reviewed" with someone they will probably laugh at me so I shall leave it as it is.

Peace.

 

[danieldemol]

Assertion? Peer reviewed? For this? My God.

If I speak of "peer reviewed" with someone they will probably laugh at me so I shall leave it as it is.

Peace.

Only ignorants laugh at the process of peer review. Dictionaries and other proffesional publications (I assume this includes the QAC) will refer to expert panels for matters that are in dispute.

In my opinion

 

[Shakeel]

How is it a stretch? In essence, in context of the OP, Friday is considered a "Sabbath in Islam"

Jumu'ah - Wikipedia

Because it's not a day of rest.

Is Friday the Muslim "Sabbath"? What Is Special About Friday in Islam?
While Friday is a special day for Muslims, it is not considered a day of rest or a “Sabbath.”

 

[Shakeel]

or simply spend some time listening to the sermon online which is the performing of Dhuhr

Where do you get this fatwa from? It's extremely dubious. Who would put their business before prayer?

 

[firedragon]

Only ignorants laugh at the process of peer review. Dictionaries and other proffesional publications (I assume this includes the QAC) will refer to expert panels for matters that are in dispute.

In my opinion

Yeah. Maybe calling people ignorant gives you some life force you lack otherwise. No problem.

Anyway, to honour your "dictionary" request, here you go. This is Ed Lane. You can find it yourself for sure with a simple effort.

 

[danieldemol]

Yeah. Maybe calling people ignorant gives you some life force you lack otherwise. No problem.

Anyway, to honour your "dictionary" request, here you go. This is Ed Lane. You can find it yourself for sure with a simple effort.

View attachment 52503

Edward William Lane who passed away in 1876? It might be a little hard to get hold of the complete entry to read without forking out dollars.

 

[firedragon]

Edward William Lane who passed away in 1876? It might be a little hard to get hold of the complete entry to read without forking out dollars.

Im sure its fully available on the internet. Of course there was a CD that I got around maybe 15 years ago.

Edward Lanes Lexicon is probably the most respected Arabic to English lexicons respect and revered by everyone. The most respected are arabic to arabic of course and they are very old and classical.

If you search for it, I am 100% sure you can find it because most students use it for their papers and they don't spend money doing it. I can ask someone, but it will be tomorrow.

 

[danieldemol]

Im sure its fully available on the internet. Of course there was a CD that I got around maybe 15 years ago.

Edward Lanes Lexicon is probably the most respected Arabic to English lexicons respect and revered by everyone. The most respected are arabic to arabic of course and they are very old and classical.

If you search for it, I am 100% sure you can find it because most students use it for their papers and they don't spend money doing it. I can ask someone, but it will be tomorrow.

I found it on page 455 of Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane

However to my untrained eye it looks like a slightly different word (couldn't tell if this was because the QAC uses a nice computer type whilst Edward Lane's Lexicon appears to use handwritten Arabic) but if you compare this

to this

the two look to the untrained eye as different words. Any how if you

continue onto page 457 Edward Lanes Lexicon says

if you look at the first arabic word written there it is difficult to tell due to the handwritten scrawl, but it looks a lot closer to the word used by the QAC and William Lane Craig appears to have translated it as Friday.

I think what you are saying is that the meaning of Jumu'ah is not the same as the meaning of Friday, which is true in the sense that one means something along the lines of day of assembly whilst the other means day of Frigge, but nontheless when you are translating a time the name of the day of gathering is given a different name in English (the day of Frigge) so as a name Jumu'ah corresponds to the same day as the name Friday and thus it is perfectly valid to translate it as Friday. Which is my undeducated speculation for why both Edward Lanes Lexicon and the QAC both appear to have translated it as friday.

In my opinion.

 

[firedragon]

I found it on page 455 of Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane

However to my untrained eye it looks like a slightly different word (couldn't tell if this was because the QAC uses a nice computer type whilst Edward Lane's Lexicon appears to use handwritten Arabic) but if you compare this

to this View attachment 52506 the two look to the untrained eye as different words. Any how if you

continue onto page 457 Edward Lanes Lexicon says View attachment 52507 if you look at the first arabic word written there it is difficult to tell due to the handwritten scrawl, but it looks a lot closer to the word used by the QAC and William Lane Craig appears to have translated it as Friday.

I think what you are saying is that the meaning of Jumu'ah is not the same as the meaning of Friday, which is true in the sense that one means something along the lines of day of assembly whilst the other means day of Frigge, but nontheless when you are translating a time the name of the day of gathering is given a different name in English (the day of Frigge) so as a name Jumu'ah corresponds to the same day as the name Friday and thus it is perfectly valid to translate it as Friday. Which is my undeducated speculation for why both Edward Lanes Lexicon and the QAC both appear to have translated it as friday.

In my opinion.

The first image is not jumuah. Its Jamsa. The second image is correct. It says Salathul Jumah, which means congregational prayer. So you have gone past the meaning of the word, skipped a page, and read a portion that describes the phrase in order top just defy whats been said. So you made a bogus ending to your post by saying Ed Lane translated it as Friday. Its the phrase, not the word. Please dont make this kind of false

IT is absolutely valid for someone to interpret Salathul Jumah as "congregational prayer on Friday". Its like saying Christmas is on 25th of December. No worries whatsoever.

Ciao.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

This might answer your question

• The Muslims believe the best day of the week is Friday. Allah asked us to stop and take time for Jummah prayer and then afterward, go back to work, home, or whatever we were doing better.
• The day of the Sabbath, in Judeo-Christian traditions, also comes from the idea that on the last day God needed to rest after he made the Universe. This is problematic because Islam says that Allah never needs to rest since He is above all human-like attributes

Mind you, Allah in Quran says, He asked Jews to keep the Sabbath.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Muslims not believing in Friday being a forbidden to work day is not because they believe the law has changed.

You conflated a Muslim tradition and your faith statement and made one whole scriptural soup of it.

Allah says in Quran, He asked Jews to keep the Sabbath. Why did He not ask the Arabs to keep the Sabath?

 

[firedragon]

Allah says in Quran, He asked Jews to keep the Sabbath

It doesnt say jews.

Why did He not ask the Arabs to keep the Sabath?

It doesnt say Arab,.

Now you're making it racist.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

It doesnt say jews.



It doesnt say Arab,.

Now you're making it racist.

Now you're dodging the question

 

[Starlight]

On a flip side, why would they?

Muslims believe in Gospel, Psalms, Torah is from God according to the Quran and Islam. But they also believe the Quran is the last scripture from God. (But according to muslims the Gospel, Psalms and Torah the jews and christians have today have been changed)

According to Islam Abraham, Moses, Josef, David, Jesus is prophets from God. According to Islam Abraham, Moses, Josef, David, Jesus was muslims. Because the muslim in arabic = a believer in english and Islam in arabic = a submitter to God in english

 

[Starlight]

Firstly, because Muslims are not Jews subject to the mitzvah of the Mosaic covenant, of which sabbath observance is one of the most important religious laws.

Friday is, instead, prescribed in the Qur'an as the day of prayer (not rest, there is no day of rest in Islamic theology so far as I am aware), when Muslims are to cease from trading when they hear the call to prayer and then resume their labours to spread the bounties of God, after the Jumu'ah at the Mosque:

O you who have faith! When the call is made for prayer on Friday, hurry toward the remembrance of God, and leave all business. That is better for you, should you know. And when the prayer is finished, disperse through the land and seek God's grace, and remember God greatly so that you may be successful.

— Qur'an, Surah Al-Jumu'ah (62), Ayahs 9-10​

The fact that the Qur'an assumes, from the outset, that people will be "at business" on Friday when the summons to the prayer sounds, is reflective of the fact that Islam treats Friday - yes as the holiest day of the week but - not as a "sabbath" day of rest akin to the Jewish Shabbat on Saturday and the Christian Sunday.

And that's because the underlying theological basis of the Sabbath in the Hebrew Bible (that God rested from his labours after the six days of creation) appears not to be present or emphasized in the Qur'an.

Secondly, there is a Hadith which further substantiates the Qur'anic designation of Friday as the Day of Prayer, by arguing that Friday was actually the original, primordial holy day that Islam has restored to its obligatory status.

Nevertheless, God had according to this tradition still directed Jews and Christians in prior ages to worship on Saturday and Sunday, respectively:

It is narrated by Abu Huraira and Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:

It was Friday from which Allah diverted those who were before us. For the Jews (the day set aside for prayer) was Sabt (Saturday), and for the Christians it was Sunday. And Allah turned towards us and guided us to Friday (as the day of prayer) for us. In fact, He (Allah) made Friday, Saturday and Sunday (as days of prayer). In this order would they (Jews and Christians) come after us on the Day of Resurrection. We are the last of (the Ummahs) among the people in this world and the first among the created to be judged on the Day of Resurrection. In one narration it is: ', to be judged among them".​

Sahih Muslim: Book 4, Hadith 1862​

Thank you so much for your answer now i understand why muslims do not celebrate the Sabbath in the way jews celebrate it

 

[Starlight]

This feels like a question loaded with critique, is there?

Are you a Muslim? If not, what's it to you whether or not a Muslim does or does not observe Sabbath?

That's between Muslim and Allah, it's none of my business to question their beliefs, I just need to question my own beliefs

I believe God is behind many religions. So i believe also Islam is from God.

I wondered why muslims do not celebrate the Sabbath the way jews do it because according to Islam the Gospels, Psalms, Torah is also from God. But they believe the Quran is the latest scripture from God (But according to muslims they believe the Gospel, Psalms, Torah that christians and jews have today have been changed)

 

[Epic Beard Man]

In my opinion what @Vouthon
Rather he appeared to be saying you are allowed to work on Friday until the time of Friday prayer.

This in my opinion makes it technically different and not in essence the same as the Sabbath where according to my understanding the whole day is a day of rest.'

I also mentioned what is considered obligatory in this regard depends on the school of thought. I provided a Hadith that specifically stat

Firstly, because Muslims are not Jews subject to the mitzvah of the Mosaic covenant, of which sabbath observance is one of the most important religious laws.

Friday is, instead, prescribed in the Qur'an as the day of prayer (not rest, there is no day of rest in Islamic theology so far as I am aware), when Muslims are to cease from trading when they hear the call to prayer and then resume their labours to spread the bounties of God, after the Jumu'ah at the Mosque:

O you who have faith! When the call is made for prayer on Friday, hurry toward the remembrance of God, and leave all business. That is better for you, should you know. And when the prayer is finished, disperse through the land and seek God's grace, and remember God greatly so that you may be successful.

— Qur'an, Surah Al-Jumu'ah (62), Ayahs 9-10​

The fact that the Qur'an assumes, from the outset, that people will be "at business" on Friday when the summons to the prayer sounds, is reflective of the fact that Islam treats Friday - yes as the holiest day of the week but - not as a "sabbath" day of rest akin to the Jewish Shabbat on Saturday and the Christian Sunday.

And that's because the underlying theological basis of the Sabbath in the Hebrew Bible (that God rested from his labours after the six days of creation) appears not to be present or emphasized in the Qur'an.

Secondly, there is a Hadith which further substantiates the Qur'anic designation of Friday as the Day of Prayer, by arguing that Friday was actually the original, primordial holy day that Islam has restored to its obligatory status.

Nevertheless, God had according to this tradition still directed Jews and Christians in prior ages to worship on Saturday and Sunday, respectively:

It is narrated by Abu Huraira and Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:

It was Friday from which Allah diverted those who were before us. For the Jews (the day set aside for prayer) was Sabt (Saturday), and for the Christians it was Sunday. And Allah turned towards us and guided us to Friday (as the day of prayer) for us. In fact, He (Allah) made Friday, Saturday and Sunday (as days of prayer). In this order would they (Jews and Christians) come after us on the Day of Resurrection. We are the last of (the Ummahs) among the people in this world and the first among the created to be judged on the Day of Resurrection. In one narration it is: ', to be judged among them".​

Sahih Muslim: Book 4, Hadith 1862​

I gave the exact same information