Islam: Can one be a Muslim and accept evolution

[Gharib]

thanks bro

you are welcome.

haven't seen you around in ages brother, how have you been? i hope all is well for you, inshallah.

 

[nawab]

Alhamdulilah everything is well, actually i went to Japan for a few months, i mean its a hobby that i try to spend time around different countries to learn about their cultures and lifestyle, everything is well, Allah is too kind. and yourself still a mujahid i see,

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

no sister this is wrong.

the theory of evolution came from darwin. in 1851 he became agnostic, leaving christianity, and thus he made up the story of evolution 9 years after becoming agnostic. he was a man who had never gone outside his country before, let alone spend about 6 weeks or months on a expedition where it would be normal that one would see many different creatures. in order to satisfy himself of the emptyness he had about not believing in anything, he made this redicilous assumption that creatures just "evolved" into something else. he was a racist man, in his book he has made a comment saying that black people are the slaves of white people, he was a man that caused harm. and Allah (swt) states "do not cause miscief on earth" but guess what.

agnostics are almost brothers with atheists, so ofcourse he would make this up. never in any of his writtings does he say that god is behind this. but these days, due to scientists knowing very well that nothing can exist without god, they say evolution does not contradict the beliefe in god, this is his work. totally contradicting darwin and his fake tales. scientists have issues, especially evolution scientists. they would sell their own teeth just for something stupid.

thats why they have gone to extreemes lately to "try" and prove that life came about by chance. thats what all the thing in europe is about. they want to collide an electron and a positron because they think thats how life started, and by doing this ,well if successfull which i am convinced will be a miserable failure, some new life form or universe will the result of that "seccessfyl" collision. just as our present universe was the result of their make belief story of the big bang which was caused by chance.

it is all about taking god out of the picture. these are all lies and propaganda.

darwinists state that we are all one creature, all the descendants of bacteria. what the hell is bacteria?



i'm no expert but from what i could tell, Allah does not speak of what evolutionists say about their dogmatic tales.

29:19 What! do they not consider how Allah originates the creation, then reproduces it? Surely that is easy to Allah.

29:20 Say: Travel in the earth and see how He makes the first creation, then Allah creates the latter creation; surely Allah has power over all things.

the reason why i think these verses do not speak about evolution, is due to this being the only vers of it's kind. and contrary to this, there is the verse where a man passes by a ruined town/city and says how will allah recreate this? then allah takes his life for 100 years, then shows him how Allah recreates things by using the mans donkey as an example

this is the verse;

2:259Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: “Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?” but Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: “How long didst thou tarry (thus)?” He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day.” He said: “Nay, thou hast tarried thus a hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no signs of age; and look at thy donkey: And that We may make of thee a sign unto the people, Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh.” When this was shown clearly to him, he said: “I know that Allah hath power over all things.”

and there is the example of prophet Ibrahim (as) when he also asks Allah (swt) how he creates things and Allah (swt) tells him to kill 4 birds and make them to peices and place peices of each on the tops of mountains and to call the birds.

2:260 When Abraham said: “Show me, Lord, how You will raise the dead, ” He replied: “Have you no faith?” He said “Yes, but just to reassure my heart.” Allah said, “Take four birds, draw them to you, and cut their bodies to pieces. Scatter them over the mountain-tops, then call them back. They will come swiftly to you. Know that Allah is Mighty, Wise.”


there are many verses that are in favor of Allah (swt) creating things without evolution. and thats why i don't recon that the verse quoted by sister maro, is in favor of evolution. it probably is speaking of examples such as that of creating prophet Adem (as) and then repeating the process of populating the earth with prophet Nuh (as).

but i don't really understand it in order to say precisely what it speaks of.



yes i believe Allah (swt) used volcanoes, to make the earth evolve.

islam has no problem with accepting scientific evidence. Allah (swt) encourages us to discover things, thats why he mentiones the sun, the stars, the universe, the clouds, the oceans, the mountains, the formation of the child, etc. i don't see any other reason for their use. and this is where i think the problem with evolution lies. if it was from Allah (swt) and i am not saying that he has no such powers, then Allah (swt) would have made it clear for us that that really is how it all happened, there would not be such a huge gap for people to apply all sorts of interpretations to it. take for example all the brothers and sister on this thread who have said that evolution is true (to some extent) they have all claimed that evolution is wrong when it comes to how man came to be. why? because Allah (swt) tells us how man came to be. and just because the other creatures are not mentined, they say we believe these parts of evolution due to having no contradiction with the quran.

so if darwinists were wrong about one thing, well that just proves everything.



but Allah (swt) would have made it clear i recon, not leave it for interpretation by who ever thinks they've got a rain that might work.

sorry for the long reply, half the stuff i've said probably isn't related to your post.

I didn't even read your whole post yet, because the first sentence indicates that you did not understand my position. The concept of things evolving is very much a part of Islam.. Even Allah's name is Al-Bari the Evolver. The concept of things going from one stage of creation to another is spoken of in very direct terms throughout the texts of Islam. So don't tell me I'm wrong.

Didn't the human being evolve from a clot to a human in its mothers womb? Do you deny that the Earth has changed over billions of years, going from one state to the next? That is evolution dear brother, not simply the narrow definition employed by Darwin and those that agree with his theory of evolution.

 

[nawab]

sister you are bring something out from nothing, the evolution is not talking about in the mothers womb, its talking about humans originating from monkeys and apes

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

sister you are bring something out from nothing, the evolution is not talking about in the mothers womb, its talking about humans originating from monkeys and apes

I understand the concept of Darwin's theory of evolution. What apparently is not being understood was my statements. I agree wholeheartedly with the entire concept of evolution as a whole, regardless of Darwin. Darwin didn't define the word nor overarching concept of evolution, Allah did. To deny all types of evolution is a denial that Allah originates creation and causes it to change and evolve through different processes.

Let me make it even more clear. I believe in that which Allah has revealed through His beloved nabi (saw) in Qur'an and hadith. Allah says He created Adam in a specific manner that had nothing to do with monkeys or apes. However, Allah did say He has done the reverse. Do you recall the verses where Allah states He turned people into monkeys and even pigs? This may have been a sort of reverse evolution. Maybe that's what the scientists are finding. Who really knows? Allah gave us a general account of His creation process. He did not give us a blow-by-blow minute-to-minute detailing on the whole process. We were not there, and Allah didn't need us to be there either.

 

[nawab]

right sister ok your explaination is clear, if some accursed people were turned into something thats a Adhab (Wrath) of Allah, allah does what he wills with just Kun Fa Yakun, Be and it was.
and his creation process was a Majuza (miracle). evolutionism is contemenated with Charles Darwin so i would just reccomend that not to focus on these topics and people can be misled.

as the Evolution theory was created to support Atheism/ Deny God Almighty

 

[Gharib]

I didn't even read your whole post yet, because the first sentence indicates that you did not understand my position.

yeah i knew it, i did say that in my last sentence, i tend to do that alot. sorry for that.

The concept of things evolving is very much a part of Islam.. Even Allah's name is Al-Bari the Evolver.

EL-BARIU – Filluesi, i Cili krijoi krijesat pa ndonjë model paraprak, dhe Vullneti i Tij është zbatuar dhe zbatohet nëpërmjet urdhrit hyjnor: “Bëhu”!

the above is in albanian, and i would rather use that over an english translation due to not understanding properly, which has already been shown of me obviously.

it says (may Allah forgive me if i make a mistake, if done intentionally may my punishment be equal to the sheytan):

Al-Bari - the starter, who created creatures without any previous model (or shape), and who's Will has and is fulfilled by the order of saying "Be" (or become)

The concept of things going from one stage of creation to another is spoken of in very direct terms throughout the texts of Islam. So don't tell me I'm wrong.

so a chimp evolved to a human, is that what you believe?

i'm not saying that things don't evolve. a boy will evolve into a man, i can totally agree to that. but not an ape evolving into a man.

Didn't the human being evolve from a clot to a human in its mothers womb?

yes, elhamdulilah it did. i'm not denying these kind of changes. they do happen. but what i would consider wrong is using the word 'evolve' in the same context as atheists or agnostics do.

it's like saying Allah (swt) is everywhere. but due to hinduism saying god is everywhere, as in all living things, then of course a muslim must make it clear what they mean by everywhere.

Do you deny that the Earth has changed over billions of years, going from one state to the next?

no i don't, Allah (swt) created the universe in 6 days, meaning gradualy, meaning things changed over time.

That is evolution dear brother, not simply the narrow definition employed by Darwin and those that agree with his theory of evolution.

so you should say that then. the person who opened this thread was not talking about us believing in things such as the earth evolving, he was asking about the darwin example of evolution.

by this last statement you have made it clear, what a muslims definition of the word 'evolution' is. and thats what the other brothers and sister should do, but if they have then i probably don't remember by now or maybe didn't understand their posts properly, like thats never happened before.

and sorry if you got upset about it.

 

[Gharib]

Alhamdulilah everything is well, actually i went to Japan for a few months, i mean its a hobby that i try to spend time around different countries to learn about their cultures and lifestyle, everything is well, Allah is too kind. and yourself still a mujahid i see,

elhamdulilah, everything is going good for you, and may it be so for the rest of us also, inshallah.

 

[Hadi]

This this what I think:

"Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They (the Angels)said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks and sanctify You. Quran 2:30


The Angels had been witnessing generations of humans who shed blood in Earth and that was before God created Adam.
And since knowledge of future events is known to God ALONE, these Angels were concerned in their response to God that these new humans that God will create will do the same as the ones lived before.

 

[nawab]

so you mean there would be humans before adam thats absurd, this was the comments given by the angels they didnt have knoledge of the future events but they thought this would happen because Allah is giving us free Choice which angels do not have, so this was only thier presumption.

 

[Hadi]

so you mean there would be humans before adam thats absurd, this was the comments given by the angels they didnt have knoledge of the future events but they thought this would happen because Allah is giving us free Choice which angels do not have, so this was only thier presumption.

How did the angles know that humans have blood and it's possible they shed each other blood...

they got that from previous experience,,,,humans who lived thousands of years......160,000 years for the "homo sapiens idaltu"

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

And when your Lord said to the angels, "I am going to
create a deputy on the earth!" They said, 'Will You
create there one who will spread disorder on the earth
and cause bloodsheds while we, along with your praises,
proclaim Your purity and sanctify Your name?" He said,
"Certainly, I know what you do not know." And He
taught Adam the names, all of them; then presented
them before the angels, and said, 'Tell me their names,
if you are right." They said, 'To You belongs all purity!
We have no knowledge except what You have given us.
Surely, You alone are the all-knowing, all-wise!' He said,
"0 Adam, tell them the names of all these!' When he told
them their names, Allah said, "Did I not tell you' that I
know the secrets of the skies and of the earth, and that I
know what you disclose and what you have been
concealing. (Verses 30 - 33)


The proper tafsir for this verse is given in part below. This is from the tafsir book Ma'ariful Qur'an . You can see it for free online, I'll post the link below as well.

Another question which may arise out of this episode is: How did
the angels come to know that man would shed blood? Did they possess
the knowledge of hidden things and of divine secrets? Or, was it a
mere conjecture on their part? Most of the authoritative scholars
believe, on the basis of certain $7 : 'Ath~ro'r reports available about
the blessed Companions, that it was Allah Himself who had informed
the angels on this occasion as to how man would behave on the earth.
It is only then that they became curious about the
raison d'etre of man being chosen as the viceregent in spite of his
propensity to evil

Beside demonstrating the superiority of Adam in knowledge, Allah dispelled the misgivings of the angels with regard to the evil propensities in man by the short and simple answer, "Certainly, I know what you do not know." There is a subtle
suggestion here - what makes man fit for viceregency is just the
peculiarity which, in the eyes of the angels, made him unfit for this
function. For, a deputy or viceregent is needed on the earth just for
the purpose of preventing blood-shed and disorder; if there is no
possibility of disorder in a place, where is the need for sending there
an administrator? Thus, it was the Divine Will and Wisdom that, just
as Allah had created beings as innocent and sinless as the angels, or
beings as totally evil as Satan and his progeny, or beings like the jinns
in whom evil dominated over good, He would also create beings in
whom good and evil should be equally mixed, who should try to
conquer the evil in themselves and to grow in goodness so as to seek
and attain the pleasure of their Creator.

You can find a full tafsir for the entire Qur'an here in English
English Quran Translation & Tafsir/Explanation of The Holy Quran/Qoran/Koran - Online Free e-book Download

 

[Gharib]

this thing with the angels knowing about men being blood sheders i believe has something to do with the glorious and exalted book Lewi Mahfudh.

it is in the holy night of Kadr that Allah (swt) reveals to the angels their duties for 1 years (untill that very same night) from the holy Lewi Mahfudh.

the angels knowing that men are blood sheders isn't that much of a big deal. they have been told about it.

in support from what the scholars have said in the tafsir posted by sister fullyveiled muslimah.