Islam fights free speech

[icehorse]

This article lists many recent instances of Western publishers and authors being threatened for criticizing Islam:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8907/islam-publishers-censorship

If Muslims want respect from non-Muslims, they have to stand openly and clearly against these sorts of attacks against modernity. I know, how about a new denomination of Islam that openly and clearly defines itself as a supporter of modern human rights and liberties?

 

[Godobeyer]

This article lists many recent instances of Western publishers and authors being threatened for criticizing Islam:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8907/islam-publishers-censorship

If Muslims want respect from non-Muslims, they have to stand openly and clearly against these sorts of attacks against modernity. I know, how about a new denomination of Islam that openly and clearly defines itself as a supporter of modern human rights and liberties?

99.99% of your post and threads are anti-Islam and anti-Muslims.
are Western publishers criticizing other religions as Judiasm or hinduism or atheism...etc too?

I distingue between criticizing and insulting and faking the truth , sometimes provocation(hate).

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

99.99% of your post and threads are anti-Islam and anti-Muslims.
are Western publishers criticizing other religions as Judiasm or hinduism or atheism...etc too?

If a religion is disproportionately causing problems then it deserves a disproportionate amount of criticism.

I distingue between criticizing and insulting and faking the truth , sometimes provocation(hate).

Really? How do you distinguish between these?

 

[Godobeyer]

If a religion is disproportionately causing problems then it deserves a disproportionate amount of criticism.

Most of problems grace to the Western politic leader involve in Muslim business,so burn it up.

Really? How do you distinguish between these?

I already made the distinguish.
everyone had his own values.

 

[icehorse]

99.99% of your post and threads are anti-Islam and anti-Muslims.
are Western publishers criticizing other religions as Judiasm or hinduism or atheism...etc too?

I distingue between criticizing and insulting and faking the truth , sometimes provocation(hate).

You must have missed this morning's criticism of the RC church! It's a doozy!

As far as the truth, the article I linked to makes many specific claims. These claims are each either true or false, feel free to address them!

 

[YmirGF]

99.99% of your post and threads are anti-Islam and anti-Muslims.
are Western publishers criticizing other religions as Judiasm or hinduism or atheism...etc too?

I distingue between criticizing and insulting and faking the truth , sometimes provocation(hate).

The fact that no person speaks for Islam is where the misunderstanding originates. It's not our fault that Islam is vague on many things that are wide open to interpretation.

 

[LuisDantas]

99.99% of your post and threads are anti-Islam and anti-Muslims.
are Western publishers criticizing other religions as Judiasm or hinduism or atheism...etc too?

I distingue between criticizing and insulting and faking the truth , sometimes provocation(hate).

Do you think there is enough reason for comparable criticism against religions?

I think you are complaining about the absence of that what does not have a reason to exist.

 

[Britedream]

99.99% of your post and threads are anti-Islam and anti-Muslims.
are Western publishers criticizing other religions as Judiasm or hinduism or atheism...etc too?

I distingue between criticizing and insulting and faking the truth , sometimes provocation(hate).

It is usually the case with some poeple, it is caused by ignorance or hate, but the lack of info claim, is just a justification,

the scholars from different Faithes have put their views on the subject in the open.

Please follow the link, and you will see a christian scholar view on the subject:

"understanding Islam"

Another Jewish scholar view on Islam, please google " introduction to Islam for Jews" by Rabbi Firestone.

 

[icehorse]

Hi Britedream,

Perhaps the 89 minute video you link to is quite good. But before we all invest a lot of time watching this video, can you summarize for us how this video addresses the topic of free speech vs. criticism of Islam?

What's the bottom line?

 

[Rival]

Hi Britedream,

Perhaps the 89 minute video you link to is quite good. But before we all invest a lot of time watching this video, can you summarize for us how this video addresses the topic of free speech vs. criticism of Islam?

What's the bottom line?

Who cares; I want to know about this Rabbi FIRESTONE. Is he, like, Sunstone's Pa?

 

[Laika]

This article lists many recent instances of Western publishers and authors being threatened for criticizing Islam:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8907/islam-publishers-censorship

If Muslims want respect from non-Muslims, they have to stand openly and clearly against these sorts of attacks against modernity. I know, how about a new denomination of Islam that openly and clearly defines itself as a supporter of modern human rights and liberties?

It's been done:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_and_Progressive_Muslim_movements

How about you give some specific objections you have to Islam and post them in a thread in the Islam DIR so Muslims have an opportunity to defend their own beliefs? Maybe begin a personal dialogue to reach a mutual understanding about Islams place in modernity and its relationship with human rights?

 

[Britedream]

Hi Britedream,

Perhaps the 89 minute video you link to is quite good. But before we all invest a lot of time watching this video, can you summarize for us how this video addresses the topic of free speech vs. criticism of Islam?

What's the bottom line?

Islam is not a race, so if you single muslims, you are indacting that it comes from their religion. the link shows how misconceptions about Muslims and Islam develop.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Guys, I think this is another confusion of Islam and Muslims. I said it many times before; religions are just sets of rules and teachings. Followers of those religions are who do the act, and people are not perfect. Neither those religious followers are perfect nor those who dedicate their presence to target specific religions are. One has to be rational and neutral. Specifically targeting with negativity only makes our lives harder to live. Also, generalization is never the right thing in such diverse subjects.

As far as I know, being a Muslim myself, those misconceptions are taken from the actions of some Muslims (unfortunately), not what Islam teaches about it.

 

[Britedream]

Guys, I think this is another confusion of Islam and Muslims. I said it many time before; religions are just sets of rules and teachings. Followers of those religions are who do the act, and people are not perfect. Neither those religious followers are perfect nor those who dedicate their presence to target specific religions are. One has to be rational and neutral. Specifically targeting with negativity only makes our lives harder to live. Also, generalization is never the right thing in such diverse subjects.

As far as I know, being a Muslim myself, those misconceptions are taken from the actions of some Muslims (unfortunately), not what Islam teaches about it.

If he had said some muslims, I would have ignored it.

 

[Godobeyer]

You must have missed this morning's criticism of the RC church! It's a doozy!

As far as the truth, the article I linked to makes many specific claims. These claims are each either true or false, feel free to address them!

That's why I said other religion not Christianity. (your farvorite Judiasm)

I just notice that you said Islam in title, but it's fair to said some Muslims instead.

The fact that no person speaks for Islam is where the misunderstanding originates. It's not our fault that Islam is vague on many things that are wide open to interpretation.

And It's not our fault that West supported Bin laden and Alqaeda and Taliban,then these groups attack all Muslims countries and West too .

same to Iraq and Libya and Syria.

Do you think there is enough reason for comparable criticism against religions?

I think you are complaining about the absence of that what does not have a reason to exist.

Yes .
Yes every religion had it extremists , just West fault (involve) which make more in Muslim world.

then because non-religious people (such Hitler and Mossolini ...etc) done fatal crimes to world too,by name of nationalizm and racism.

 

[Godobeyer]

If he had said some muslims, I would have ignored it.

He used generalizing.strategy

 

[Godobeyer]

Guys, I think this is another confusion of Islam and Muslims. I said it many time before; .

I do believe it's was intentional, not confusion.


so what you said would not satisfy him or convince him,because he is anti-Islam and anti-Muslim.

 

[Rival]

Actually this is a part of Islam. Muhammad had poets killed for criticising him and speaking satire of him. Islam does not tolerate critique because Muhammad did not tolerate critique. Simple.

So, silencing critics?

Smile, it's sunnah!

 

[YmirGF]

It's been done:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_and_Progressive_Muslim_movements

How about you give some specific objections you have to Islam and post them in a thread in the Islam DIR so Muslims have an opportunity to defend their own beliefs? Maybe begin a personal dialogue to reach a mutual understanding about Islams place in modernity and its relationship with human rights?

The sad part of this cheery tidbit of info is that such groups have virtually no followers and even less support in wider Muslim circles. Many of the people cited in your article are openly persecuted for their ideas in the mainstream Muslim community which disavows any association to them.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes every religion had it extremists , just West fault (involve) which make more in Muslim world.

then because non-religious people (such Hitler and Mossolini ...etc) done fatal crimes to world too,by name of nationalizm and racism.

Sorry, but I truly think you are seriously misrepresenting things. I don't think there is comparable repression of free speech in non-Muslim countries these days, and certainly not by claiming divine inspiration.

If there is, pointing it out would be welcome.