How much that percentage compared to majority ?
but you were unjustice to don't tell that majority condemned them,why did you ignore that we did this in this forum in each accident ?
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Islam fights free speech
- Thread starter icehorse
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but you were unjustice to don't tell that majority condemned them,why did you ignore that we did this in this forum in each accident ?
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Yes .. they take free-speech to the point where it insults other people, or worse still blasphemes God. Western society is becoming bankrupt, but they don't realise what's happening as they are so familiar with insulting each other
To be fair though, Muslims are a part of this western society, and many of them behave no different. Is this the meaning of life? Point-scoring to see if immorality can "win" or Islam can "win" ..
You can count me out .. I don't want anything to do with it .. ignorance is prevailing.
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
stupidity exists everywhere, for example in some countries denying the holocaust is punishable
by law whereas you can deny religion as you wish.
Islam today is the most attacked religion and many are starving to bash it, but they can't and won't.
As God said, they think they're winning but indeed they're the real losers.
by law whereas you can deny religion as you wish.
Islam today is the most attacked religion and many are starving to bash it, but they can't and won't.
As God said, they think they're winning but indeed they're the real losers.
So if Muslims want respect from non-Muslims, they have to be modern as well, in a Western sense. Or be something other than Muslims that are non-modern.
The way to break down barriers is not to erect more.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
A rather significant part of the problem, Willamena is that a huge amount of non-Muslims know next to nothing about Islam and when they see the likes of Osama bin Laden, Anjem Choudhry or the Islamic State utter some uplifting thoughts they will think, "Ah, this is Islam" without understanding the distortions involved. In a very real sense, no Muslim speaks for Islam as the only things they really agree on is that Allah is the One true God which has no 2nd and that Muhammad was a wonderful guy who brought the Qur'an to mankind. Aside from those two points things go to hell in a hand-basket rather rapidly and wildly divergent ideas abound.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Why?
1. J u d a i s m, not Judiasm
2. What is there to criticise?
They will obviously be murdered by the vile Zionist pigs!
Religion = Personal opinion of someone that may be shared by others
Holocaust = Factual historic event
See the difference, even though you won't.
If we accept that to be the case, we cannot then say that 'Islam' fights free speech (I am not suggesting that you say this, you may or you may not, I don't yet know!).
Which problem?
Are you really saying that defending free speech is putting up a barrier?
Are you really saying that people should shut up unless they agree with you?
How's that fit in with "defending free speech"?
Is that really what you think I'm saying?
At least as much as you believe what you said here: http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/islam-fights-free-speech.190625/page-3#post-4883399
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
More actually, it is not part of true Islam.
Think, people were speaking bad about One-God, why Holy Prophet (pbuh) did not ask followers to keep killing them.
By your standard, did he consider himself bigger than Allah?...Obviously not.
Just two examples
1-Female poet matter
Classical and post-classical hadith scholars have unanimously rejected the story, declaring it as fabrication (mawdu’), pointing out in their arguments against the factuality of the incident that the chains of transmission (isnads) by which the story was transmitted are all weak (daʻif) of the lowest degree (mawḍūʻ).[4][5][6][8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/'Asma'_bint_Marwan#Hadith_Scholar_views_on_authenticity_of_the_story
2-Tribal leader
https://discover-the-truth.com/2015...-killing-deception-was-the-prophet-p-annoyed/
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Armed conflict, war and threats of war were forced constantly on the Prophet sa.
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/mna/chapter_3.html
Not sure if no one really speaks for Islam due to my closed nature to the world... but you're mentioning a very good point. Some or more people with good multiple language skills should come up and consider this idea. I personally cannot due to my weak personality and lack of both religious terminologies and speech skills.
I personally do give people benefit of the doubt when they looks down on Islam and Muslims. Well I do lose it sometimes, but that happens on a whim, not that I really mean being awful.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
So you're with punishing those who deny the holocaust.
and that because they chose to deny a historical fact.
At least as much as you believe what you said here: http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/islam-fights-free-speech.190625/page-3#post-4883399
1 - I wish I knew to which post you were referring.
2 - When did I EVER hint that anyone should shut up?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
So you agree with me that it is kind of stupidity to punish people for their choice to deny the holocaust?
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Part of my policy is to not agree with you, its usually a safe bet that you are in the wrong.